Progressives (Liberals)

You want Eric Holder to win the presidency? Clarifying.

What is wrong with him? He seems as good as any of the other candidate currently running.

No question he is an unusually smart and talented guy. But I can't see him rising much higher this cycle. Up the road, a much different story, I think.

Sadly I agree, I think our country would have to "evolve" more.

You are on a long-standing project of sliming Dems at any opportunity - you're a New York Post version of progressive - so your comment here is worth that much.

Holder is a good guy. His current activities, a deep in the weeds project to counter GOP gerrymandering and to aid GOTV initiatives in black communities is exactly the sort of activism that has teeth. It's not loud and fancy. It's what's needed on a much broader scale.

Well, I think he needs more experience as well.

I made that comment as a total joke. I think Holder would be a great candidate as a Dem; however, I do not wish to see Dem run as an Independent. Any vote split would assure a tRump win. A vote for tRump is a vote for Russia and any Dem vote for an Independent is a vote for tRump.

What are his policies on healthcare, immigration, Israel...anything? What do you base a vote on?

He has a very clear history of dismissing black citizens’ legitimate rights in his own little white northern town. But, it’s ok, right?

I find it both amusing and concerning that at this late date in the process centrist Dems are flailing about looking for a candidate.

Hear hear

Yes. It's an interesting phenomenon. One could certainly attribute this in part to Biden's negatives, to Hillary's loss last time and (obviously related) the surge of interest towards a more vibrant liberalism with echoes back to the post-depression period.

But Trump sits in the middle of this. Had someone like Jeb taken the nomination and won the presidency, it's hard to imagine such a strong dynamic building in opposition to that presidency. There is a real sense of urgency on the left presently, for the good reasons we all know. And that sense of urgency is a key part of what now propels a progressive "populism". There is definitely some mirroring effect here, I think.

You aren’t alone in that thinking:

Diane Giller for Bernie 2020! Retweeted

Obama Is Cancelled Culture
@JenD1974
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Nov 8
The DNC isn't in this to beat trump. They're in it to block Bernie from the nomination

Maddow reports that Eric Holder may be the next candidate to mount a late presidential bid
rawstory.com
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This shows the desperation of the second corporate party to maintain the oligarchy and shut down the people.

Watching the media shut out the exponential growth of the Sanders phenomenon smacks of China’s blackout of the people’s movement that ended in Tiananmen Square. As far as the power in China is concerned, it never happened.

Watch what’s happening.

The urgency began when Clinton cheated the primary.

In my opinion, her status as the "heir apparent" during the entire eight years of the Obama administration really hurt the Democratic field. Obama himself was such a star that it was hard for anyone else to show much sparkle and no one really had that much ambition to knock Clinton off her pedestal. A strong woman probably would have had the best chance by avoiding the accusations of male domination by feminists in the party who really had their hopes set on the former First Lady. Warren, who at that point was seen as "up and coming" hadn't yet achieved that stature and was still finding her voice. None of the Democratic woman governors or senators were interested — Warren toyed with the idea but, wisely, refrained. The men who showed any interest were pretty much second string candidates without national stature.

It's more than "echoes". It's ******* nostalgia. It's fascinating that we're approaching the third decade of this century and the only energy in the Democratic Party comes from those pushing shopworn versions of class struggle which haven't changed much since the late nineteenth century, and trying to tap into the energy of the New Deal which died with Taft-Hartley. Doesn't anyone notice that times have changed — radically?

I'd hoped there might be more people with a new message, a promise of some new political strategies and something a little different than the tired choice between the greying left and the ossified right. I'll give Yang some credit in this regard but I'm not surprised at his low numbers as it's a little bit late in the game for an outsider. No, I think the DNC must share some of the blame here for not having an active program to identify new political figures and push them into prominence. And for doing nothing to address the distortional factors in the primary process. So "I'm not Trump" seems to be best thing anyone has going for them and with all the divisiveness and litmus tests it's probably the best I can hope for.

There also seems to be a lingering desire for Clinton to annouce she is in the race, which I think would be disastrous!

I haven’t heard Clinton even muse about any such thing, nor anyone who is legitimately speaking for her. In fact I am very dubious about where the donors are originating. It’s a great source of confusion and division.

I have heard it discussed a few times. It maybe just for discussion purposes though, and knee jerk reactions!

Bloomberg is just another fake democrat trying to put the final nail in the democratic coffin.

Evolve to what? Appreciation of a plastic-wrapped McKinsey consultant?

You clearly have no idea of the world beyond your nose.