edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 09:11 am
@edgarblythe,
"capitalist to my bones" is not a good self-description for a progressive.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 09:17 am
@edgarblythe,
I disagree. It is a bad self-description for a socialist. But a progressive does not have to be a socialist.

A progressive can support private property and a free market, and just want the market to be heavily regulated to prevent abuses, with strong taxes on the wealthy to fund social programs.
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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 09:19 am
@edgarblythe,
It's a good defense against accusations that she's a Marxist though. Democratic socialism can work in tandem with a regulated market economy. Unfortunately for eco-Stalinists like me, that's what most USAmericans feel comfortable with.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 09:22 am
@MontereyJack,
Ross Perot cost George Bush the election in 1992 and stuck us with Slick Willy.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 09:26 am
@hightor,
She is a sham progressive. Stepping in Bernie's footprints all the way to appear the same. I don't trust her at all.
JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 10:49 am
@blatham,
Quote:
I'll say. Heck, one time, I simply wrote...
Quote:
Ommmmmmmmm

and the critics pounced.


They are aware of what a renowned liar you are, Bernie.
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JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 10:51 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
nul


This time you need two, Olivier. The L sound is sorta dragged out.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 10:51 am
@Lash,
I don't know the t-shirt to which you are referring.

I should add that I don't, at all, dismiss out of hand your claim that the DNC was or is engaged in anti-Semitic "dirty tricks" against Sanders. Seeing what Democrats have done to anyone they perceived to be between them and their goals, or whose demise might further their goals, I put nothing past them. I simply haven't seen any evidence of it with Sanders yet and am not prepared to make the claim that it is happening, and if it did, I wouldn't necessarily suggest that the people behind it were anti-Semitic...ruthless and unprincipled, but not necessarily anti-Semitic.

When the end justifies the means anything and everything is rationalized.

I do totally reject hightor's suggestion that anti-Semitism is not something to be found within the hearts of Democratic voters. It clearly exists in at least two Democratic congresswomen: Tlaib and Omar and I presume it was Democratic voters who elected them rather than Republican neo-nazis.

Anyone in Congress who supports the BDS is anti-Semitic.

Clearly there are anti-Semites on the right, but any notion that it is a one side of the spectrum scourge is disingenuous or ignorant


JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 10:55 am
@edgarblythe,
You operate under this silly assumption that Democrats are not big money, Edgar. Sure there are some truth tellers/honest people like Ilhan Omar, she knows full well that the "somebody who did something" was not Mualim hijackers or OBL. Hell, you all know it to but that's what brainwashing does to folks like you who drink so deeply, so often from the trough.

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Real Music
 
  4  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 10:56 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Sen. Warren has been shoring up her credibility with the public and making the right kind of enemies in Washington, D.C. She has championed economic issues such as student loan debt and increased banking regulations as part of her mission to bring those who caused the Great Recession to justice. Her failed fight to stop student interest rates from rising brought her press and public attention, even if she was unable to garner political support in getting it passed. Her persistence in protecting the financial rights of the middle class has provided her with an invaluable reserve of legitimacy in the public at a time when the economy is reeling from the mistakes of Wall Street insiders and politicians who are loyal to them, such as Larry Summers.

Summers' nomination for chairman of the Fed was undone by Sen. Warren and her allies in the Senate because of Summers' well-documented chauvinism and support for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act as treasury secretary under President Clinton. (In fairness, current Fed chairman front-runner Janet Yellen also supported the repeal.) However, Sen. Warren played a perfectly shrewd political hand in Summers' removal from the running as well. When President Obama tasked Elizabeth Warren to create the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau it was assumed she would be appointed to run it as well. Enter Larry Summers. As an economic adviser to President Obama, Summers campaigned against her nomination on behalf of major players in the finance industry who were afraid of her power. Now, Sen. Warren just secured her payback by forcing Summers out of the running for Fed chairman. Liberals are feeling very empowered by Summers' defeat and are crediting it to Warren's politicking.
Democrats have not had a leader who is both charismatic and morally authoritative in quite some time, but Sen. Warren is about to change that. She has not even completed a full year in her tenure as senator but has already emerged with a clear legislative and political agenda that she is forthright about and sticking to. Since President Obama's first inauguration, D.C. politics have been hijacked by the loud and unruly Tea Partiers who have done everything to derail any legislative agenda put forth by the White House. Sen. Warren emerges from this mess as a Democrat who is unwilling to be overwhelmed by power or threatened by politics as usual.


1. Edgarblythe, you posted the above posting on another thread that you yourself started back in October 6, 2013.

2. Back in 2013 you had titled your Elizabeth Warren thread "My first choice for the next President"

3. Edgarblythe, my question to you is what has changed from 2013 when you actually wanted Elizabeth Warren to be President to your present current views and opinions of her?

4. Do you no longer stand behind what you posted in that 2013 thread?

5. Why do you now speak more negatively about Elizabeth Warren, when back in 2013 you spoke so positively about her?

6. Based on the timeline, I can conclude that you were a huge fan of Elizabeth Warren as far back as 6 years ago. Possibly longer than 6 years ago.

7. What happen?



One side note:
I myself have been a big fan of Elizabeth Warren for close to a decade going back to approximately 2009 or 2010.
And I am still a big fan of hers today.
revelette1
 
  4  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 10:57 am
@Baldimo,
Say what you will in response (plenty from the left and right); however, facts are during the Bill Clinton years we had a long span of economic growth and paid down the debt.

Quote:
FULL QUESTION

I was wondering if FactCheck can provide me with answers to the question, “To what extent were Bill Clinton’s policies responsible for economic growth in the 1990s?”

FULL ANSWER

What we can say with certainty is that Clinton served as president during the last eight years of a decade-long economic expansion that stands as the longest boom in U.S. history. Clinton saw a gain of nearly 21 million jobs during his tenure (January 1993 – January 2001).Certainly Clinton deserves some credit for that remarkable economic growth, but just as certainly he can’t claim all the credit. How much he deserves is a matter of opinion that will probably be debated for years to come. By the time he left office, the economy was slowing rapidly, and it slipped into recession in March 2001, just weeks after George W. Bush was sworn in.

linton’s major contribution was pushing through the 1993 budget bill, which began to reduce what had become a chronic string of federal deficits. Republicans denounced it as the “largest tax increase in history,” though in fact it was not a record and also contained some cuts in projected spending. Republican Rep. Newt Gingrich predicted: “The tax increase will kill jobs and lead to a recession, and the recession will force people off of work and onto unemployment and will actually increase the deficit.” But just the opposite happened. Fears of inflation waned and interest rates fell, making money cheaper to borrow for homes, cars and investment. What had been a slow economic recovery turned into a roaring boom, bringing in so much unanticipated tax revenue from rising incomes and stock-market gains that the government actually was running record surpluses by the time Clinton left office.
Clinton can also be given credit for reappointing Alan Greenspan as head of the Federal Reserve, where the economist was widely credited with a masterly performance in handling interest rates. This was an unusual move for a Democratic president, as Greenspan is a libertarian Republican who had been a close economic adviser to Republican Presidents Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan. Greenspan and Clinton worked closely, and in 2007 Greenspan praised Clinton’s handling of the federal deficit and his support for liberalized trade, calling him “the best Republican president we’ve had in a while.”

But many other factors, having little or nothing to do with government, also were at work during the Clinton years. Personal computers and the Internet came of age, bringing a revolution in the efficiency of processing information and making workers more productive. Manufacturing companies embraced more efficient production methods. A massive reduction in military spending, begun during the George H.W. Bush administration following the collapse of the former Soviet Union, allowed capital to be deployed to more economically productive ends. No major war disrupted the world’s rapidly growing trade.

Good luck also played a role. Oil prices declined during much of Clinton’s presidency, partly because of squabbling and cheating among the OPEC oil-producing nations. As late as 1999 crude oil was selling for less than $10 per barrel and gasoline hit a low of 95 cents per gallon at the pump, a price that included the 4.3-cent-per-gallon tax increase that Clinton had supported and Republicans had denounced.


https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/clinton-and-economic-growth-in-the-90s/
JTT
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 10:59 am
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Ross Perot cost George Bush the election in 1992 and stuck us with Slick Willy.


Either way you ended up with your usual war criminal president, Baldimo.

Have you read the Harrit et al paper describing the usa military nanothermite that was found in WTC dust.

It was "highly energetic". It had a chemical profile that fit almost exactly to the Lawrence Livermore Lab scientists chemical profile of their tests on their "new generation of super explosives".
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JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:00 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
I don't trust her at all.


But you trust the US governments official conspiracy theory, Edgar?? Now that is total gullibility!!
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JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:02 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I thought that you would like to know about the NYC Federal Grand Jury that is investigating the controlled demolitions of WTCs 1, 2 & 7, Finn. Let's you and I discuss it.
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JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:09 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Anyone in Congress who supports the BDS is anti-Semitic.


Pure finn poppycock. The irony is incredible. The usa puts sanctions on all sorts of peoples, often the same peoples that it has illegally invaded and murdered into the millions. Were you a racist against Vietnamese, Cubans, Venezuelans, Cambodians, ... ?

Actually, I wouldn't doubt it at all that you were racists against all of them. You supported and still do, the usa genocides against them all.

Israel should be totally boycotted and shunned until it stops its genocide against Palestinians. One would think that such a people would show some sensibility to operating a genocide. And actually there are many good Jews who do not like Israel's genocide/actions.
JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:16 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Say what you will in response (plenty from the left and right); however, facts are during the Bill Clinton years we had a long span of economic growth and paid down the debt.


WOW, Rev!!!! You also had a massive planned usa genocide that predicted up to a million Iraqi children would die and the same adults.

Have you no sense of human decency? Human compassion?
==============
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

—60 Minutes (5/12/96)
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:19 am
@Real Music,
I refuse to be held to what I expected that long ago. I have gone beyond what was available then.
JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:25 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
I refuse to be held to what I expected that long ago. I have gone beyond what was available then.


You ought to look at all the voluminous scientific evidence that shows there were no Muslim hijackers, Edgar. Just consider, everyone, who does that leave as the perpetrators of this massive set of crimes.

The NYC Federal Grand Jury will have a list of crimes miles long.
0 Replies
 
Real Music
 
  2  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:29 am
@edgarblythe,
I'm not saying you have to be held to anything.

Everyone has the right to change their views and opinions.

I am just trying to figure out what happen from that time to now?

I am just trying to figure out what changed.

Back then you were a huge fan of Elizabeth Warren.

Now, you appear to be sour on her.

Maybe you have good reasons.

Maybe you don't.

It's just very odd to me, unless Elizabeth Warren did something to cause you to go sour on her.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:30 am
@Real Music,
I have laid out a case against her already. Subjecting me to a third-degree is not changing what I already posted.
 

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