oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 12:50 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:
I cut and pasted the following from your link, spelling out the circumstance and reason:

In a policy statement released on Tuesday, the White House said it “strongly objects” to the House bill’s $369 million for a dozen F-22 fighter aircraft because the 187 F-22s now in the U.S. military’s fleet are enough.

187 air superiority fighters are not nearly enough.

Obama gutted our air superiority capability, and now we can only defend airspace in one or two places on the planet instead of defending it everywhere.

We don't even have enough to defend the entire US airspace if we abandoned the rest of the world and concentrated all 187 fighters on US soil.
Real Music
 
  4  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 01:09 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
187 air superiority fighters are not nearly enough.

Obama gutted our air superiority capability, and now we can only defend airspace in one or two places on the planet instead of defending it everywhere.

We don't even have enough to defend the entire US airspace if we abandoned the rest of the world and concentrated all 187 fighters on US soil.

You are making these military related assertions as if you were a four star General.

I suspect that you don't have neither the expertise or any evidence to support any of the assertions you are making here.

edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 01:43 pm

BERN NOTICE: Listen To What Biden Keeps Telling His Elite Donors
Last night, Biden drew another contrast with Bernie -- by reassuring his big donors that he won't take them on
Sep 15
Public post


Bern Notice is a production of the Bernie 2020 campaign. Please forward this on to your friends and tell them to subscribe. The views expressed here are solely of the bylined author.

When politicians make promises to their huge donors, we should listen — and if you listen to Joe Biden at four separate fundraisers, he is illustrating the fundamental differences between his campaign and Bernie’s grassroots movement.

1. Biden praises the pharmaceutical industry — as Bernie takes on the pharmaceutical industry

Bloomberg reports that Biden last night praised “great drug companies out there” during an elite fundraiser. Biden’s praise comes only weeks after CBS reports that drug companies have been jacking up prices at “5 times the rate of inflation” in 2019 — which is part of the larger trend of drug companies charging Americans the world’s highest prices for medicine.

Biden has refused to take Bernie’s pledge to reject campaign cash from health care industry executives — instead, the Center for Responsive Politics reports that “no Democratic candidate has pulled in more from the healthcare and pharmaceutical industries than Biden.”

By contrast, Bernie has spent his entire career leading the fight against the pharmaceutical industry’s profiteering. That includes his most recent proposal that would slash U.S. medicine prices in half.

In response to Biden’s praise of the pharmaceutical industry that is fleecing Americans, Bernie today said: “I disagree with Joe Biden. The pharmaceutical companies are greedy, corrupt and engaged in price fixing. At a time when their behavior is literally killing people every day, America needs a president who isn’t going to appease and compliment drug companies — we need a president who will take on the pharmaceutical industry – whether they like it or not. When we defeat Donald Trump, that’s exactly what we are going to do.”

2. Biden promises that nothing will change for billionaires — Bernie promises the opposite

On June 14th, new Federal Reserve data came out showing that in the last 20 years, the top 1 percent increased its net worth by $21 trillion, while the bottom 50 percent saw its net worth decrease by $900 billion. Four days after that news hit, Biden attended an elite New York fundraiser and promised an audience of Wall Street titans that if he is elected “nothing would fundamentally change” for them.

By contrast, that same week, Bernie gave a major speech outlining his 21st Century Economic Bill of Rights — and he explicitly said of billionaires “I welcome their hatred.”

3. Biden promises Republicans will stand down — Bernie knows that’s not true

The New York Times reported that in 2018, Biden did a paid speech to help a politically endangered Republican congressman win reelection. A few months later during Biden’s presidential campaign, the Huffington Post reported that Biden “told a room of donors and lobbyists on Monday that Republicans ‘know better’ and suggested that the GOP would be open to cooperation at the end of Donald Trump’s presidency.”

By contrast, Bernie understands that well before Trump ever began running for president, Republicans in Washington were blocking every popular progressive proposal — including major initiatives from President Barack Obama. That’s why Bernie spent 2018 campaigning across the country against Republicans and in support of Democrats — and why even during his own presidential campaign, he has gone to Kentucky to help the effort to defeat Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

4. Biden raises cash from the fossil fuel industry that is creating the climate crisis — Bernie refuses to do that

Earlier this year, Reuters reported that Biden’s was having his climate policy shaped by a former natural gas industry official, and also reported that Biden’s campaign said it would only seek “middle ground” climate policies. Amid a backlash, Biden caved to pressure to sign the No Fossil Fuel Money pledge. But this month, Biden made clear that despite belatedly taking that pledge, he has no intention of honoring the thrust of it.

Instead, a day after he appeared at CNN’s climate change forum, Biden held a fundraiser with the founder of a fossil fuel corporation. And yet while taking the money, he nonetheless pretended he wasn’t raking in money from the fossil fuel industry. Indeed, he claimed to donors at the event: "I just want to be very clear to everyone here: I am committed to not raising money from fossil fuel executives and I am not doing that tonight.”

By contrast, Bernie signed the No Fossil Fuel Money Pledge, introduced the most comprehensive climate change proposal of any candidate, and this week became the first candidate to sign a pledge to only appoint government officials who will work to end fossil fuel development and aggressively combat climate change.

Bern after reading,

Sirota
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 01:44 pm
@Real Music,
That you can only defend a handful of places when you have only a handful of fighter squadrons is self evident.

How do you propose that all the places that don't have an F-22 squadron assigned to them be defended? Perhaps we can defend them with imaginary fighter planes?
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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 01:58 pm
Let’s Debate: Are Democrats Doomed?

Trump changed the game forever.

Quote:
WASHINGTON — He’s in our heads.

Even more than we knew.

It isn’t just that he hovered over the Democratic debate on Thursday night: Should the candidates attack him or leave him to self-destruct? Were they talking about him too much or not enough?

It’s more profound than that.

Donald Trump has fundamentally altered the way we experience politics.

We’ve been trying to figure out for three years if he is a mad aberration, doomed to fade, or if he is rewiring the game in some permanent way.

Watching that depressing debate, one must conclude that the rewiring is well underway.

Trump is one of the phoniest people ever to walk the earth. Maybe that’s why he was uniquely suited to tear through the phony conventions and bloated world of consultants that made up politics as usual.

There were a lot of good politicians on the debate stage in Houston. But the night rang hollow as they clung to the old conventions — the overcoached performances, the canned lines, the pandering, the well-worn childhood anecdotes meant to project “relatability.”

Tactics superseded passion and vision. Everyone seemed one tick off. Unlike with Barack Obama in 2008, none made you feel like you wanted to pump your fist in the air and march into the future behind them.

“Being a good politician doesn’t matter anymore,” lamented one freaked-out congressional Democrat afterward. “It’s like being a great used car salesman. We need a Holden Caulfield to call out all the phonies.”

It’s a paradox wrapped in an oxymoron about a moron: Trump’s faux-thenticity somehow makes the Democratic candidates seem more packaged, more stuck in politician-speak.

In speeches and at rallies, Trump kicks over the traces, saying what’s on his mind, even though it often doesn’t mesh with reality, even though it lacks dignity and can be ugly and hateful.

Just consider his speech at the House Republican retreat in Baltimore, happening at the same time as the debate. Basking in chants of “Four more years!” Trump unleashed several buzzwords and crowd-pleasers, trashing eco-friendly paper straws and energy-efficient light bulbs.

“The bulb that we’re being forced to use — No. 1, to me, most importantly, the light is no good,” he said. “I always look orange. And so do you. The light is the worst. But No. 2, it’s many times more expensive than that old incandescent bulb that worked very well. And very importantly — I don’t know if you know this — they have warnings. If it breaks, it’s considered a hazardous waste site. It’s gases inside.”

“And,” the Narcissus president repeated a couple of times for good measure, “the light is not as good. I mean, frankly, the light is not as good.”

He offered his usual aria of insults to the assembled shameless Republicans, calling Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas” and Joe Biden “Sleepy Joe.”

“And now it looks like she could beat Sleepy Joe,” Trump said. “He’s fallen asleep. He has no idea what the hell he’s doing or saying.”

He made a Pete Buttigieg short joke and referred to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as “Cortez” because her name, he said, is too long. He called the squad “A.O.C. plus three” and warned of the “grim specter of socialism.”

He mocked the Green New Deal, saying: “That’s a beauty. No more cows. No more planes. I guess no more people, right?” Then he teased Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican leader: “Because Kevin is just like a cow. He’s just smaller.”

The split screen Thursday night was riveting. You know that the barbarian behind the White House gates will run with all the ammunition the Democrats were supplying him in real time.

The president said, “Democrats want to confiscate guns from law-abiding Americans,” and Beto O’Rourke said, “Hell, yes, we are going to take your AR-15, your AK-47.” The president said the Democrats would impose “crippling taxes,” and Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren proposed all their free stuff that would require tax hikes.

This exact display from Trump is just what many Americans find exhausting. It’s draining to live on the edge all the time, to be plunged into the culture wars — and now the straw and light-bulb wars — with the tweets and the tantrums and the put-downs, to feel that we’re being borne back ceaselessly into the past.

But how to counter this?

“No one made the broadest, most appealing message for change,” David Axelrod said of the debate. “Can we, as a country, function any more if we have another four years of waking up to turmoil?”

There were a bunch of high-end, professional pols there and yet no one actually won it. Not a good sign. The candidates struggled to alchemize our exhaustion into excitement. The three hours seemed endless, with two questions hanging over the night: “Can’t anybody here play this game?” and “Will the most beatable candidate in American history win twice?”

nyt/dowd
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 02:06 pm
@hightor,
Yes. The Democrats are doomed. The Republicans are going to hold the White House for the next 18 years.

The Democrats don't need to start thinking about serious presidential candidates until 2036.

And the Democrats will only have a hope of winning even in 2036 if they purge their party of leftist extremists and nominate a nice sensible moderate. And after eight years of this moderate Democratic presidency, we will be back to Republican administrations again.

The 21st century is a Republican century. Leftists need not apply for any positions of power.
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snood
 
  5  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 02:14 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

snood wrote:
So... Democrats (Liberals, Progressives, Socialists) want America to be ruined financially; for all its citizens to lose their civil liberties, and for the country to be defeated by a superior foreign military.
Have I got all that right?

Pretty much correct. But leftists are unworthy of the label "liberal". They should not be referred to as such.


Why would anyone desire for their own country to be bankrupt, with no rights or liberties, and overrun by foreign hostiles? Do you think everyone who is not a republican conservative is insane and suicidal?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 02:18 pm
@hightor,
It's rich when someone calls a president who has made good on more campaign promises than any other I can recall...a phony, and then suggests that "really good politicians" are anything but that.

The old school politician Dowd seems to revere, the one that promises everything and delivers on almost nothing has been the personification of phony in millions of American eyes for some time now.

The man clearly has flaws (who doesn't?), but they have been exaggerated to such a degree by his opposition that they seem trivial to his supporters.

I really believe that the day of the charismatic, inspirational politician is over. It ended when Obama who had the skill, made the promises and underdelivered, was succeeded by Hillary Clinton.

Bernie has his fanatics and Warren and Biden have tepid fans but none of the candidates are going to inspire a following such as politicians of the past have. Democrats will support and vote for them but they are not going to do so with fervor. If hatred for the other guy is your #1 motivating tactic, you're in trouble...especially when you have enough good things going on so that voters in the privacy of the voting booth can think "Man, I can't stand the guy but do I really want to take the chance of messing with a good economy?" If the Democrats were talking about tinkering around the edges, they might, but if they have it wrong (and of course I think they do), they are going to plunge us into a recession.

Mayor Pete is the closest thing to the bright young inspirational candidate like Obama or JFK, but he beams insincerity from his McKinsey developed smile. He's not polished, he's slick and that comes through.

I don't know that the Democrats are doomed or that Trump has changed the game forever, but he has changed the game for now and there was no one on that stage who can play it or, I think, overcome it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 02:22 pm
https://medium.com/handwaving-freakoutery/progressivism-on-a-precipice-dcb666740b8b

Progressivism on a Precipice?

A very interesting article by someone who may have the tea leaves wrong, but, from what I can tell, is not ideologically driven.

It's also fairly dense so I don't expect many here to wade through it.
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Real Music
 
  3  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 02:28 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
We don't even have enough to defend the entire US airspace if we abandoned the rest of the world and concentrated all 187 fighters on US soil.

Please don't take what I'm about to say as condescending, because that is not my intentions.
You do know that the US military has more than 187 fighter planes.
The 187 number you are referring to is just the number of F-22 fighter planes. The F-22 is only one of many types of active fighters planes in the U.S. military.

I don't have an exact number, but I have read that the U.S. military has somewhere between 2500 and 3000 fighter planes. Many of the fighter planes are in Navy and the Marines, but the majority of those fighter planes are in the Air Force.

Active fighter planes in the US Air force includes:

F-22 Raptor
F-35 Lightning II (F-35A)
F-15 Eagle (F-15C)
F-15 Fighting Eagle (F-15E)
F-16 Fighting Falcon (F-16C)

The US Navy and Marines actively fly the FA-18 Hornet, which is a fighter plane.

The Air Force, Navy, and Marines also fly other fighter planes.

These are just some the fighter planes.

So, when you say that US Air force only has 187 fighter planes, that is only referring to one specific fighter plane, which is the F-22.

The US military actually have between 2500 and 3000 active fighter planes.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 02:50 pm
@Real Music,
Planes that are not any good at air-superiority, are not any good at air superiority.

Ground attack planes are not going to be a big help against enemy air-superiority fighters.

Old and obsolete air superiority fighters are not going to be much help against modern and cutting edge enemy air superiority fighters.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 02:53 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Why would anyone desire for their own country to be bankrupt, with no rights or liberties, and overrun by foreign hostiles?

Who knows. But clearly that is what progressives always try to do.


snood wrote:
Do you think everyone who is not a republican conservative is insane and suicidal?

No need to constrain it to Republicans. Take a look at my Gravatar image if you've forgotten my party affiliation.

But conservatives are definitely the only people who should be in charge of anything.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 03:15 pm
@hightor,
It's the media as much as the Republicans. They prefer to maintain the status quo than to do some honest reporting. Between that and the Democrats who want a hack like Biden, the issues that could win are having a hard time getting the spotlight.
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Real Music
 
  2  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 05:26 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Planes that are not any good at air-superiority, are not any good at air superiority.

Ground attack planes are not going to be a big help against enemy air-superiority fighters.

Old and obsolete air superiority fighters are not going to be much help against modern and cutting edge enemy air superiority fighters.

I am echoing what I said before

You are making these military related assertions as if you were a four star General.

I suspect that you don't have neither the expertise or any evidence to support any of the assertions you are making here.
JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 05:33 pm
@snood,
Anyone with a scintilla of morality.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 05:41 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:
I am echoing what I said before
You are making these military related assertions as if you were a four star General.

No. I am making them as if I have a basic comprehension of what a fighter jet is.


Real Music wrote:
I suspect that you don't have neither the expertise or any evidence to support any of the assertions you are making here.

You are wrong. It doesn't take much expertise to understand the difference between an air-superiority fighter and a ground attack plane. And I have more than enough expertise to tell the difference.
snood
 
  2  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 06:02 pm
@JTT,
Sorry?
snood
 
  2  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 06:03 pm
@oralloy,
From where do you derive your expertise about fighter jets?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 06:07 pm
@snood,
The difference between an air superiority fighter and a ground attack plane is so basic that I don't even remember where I learned it.
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Real Music
 
  3  
Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 06:29 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
You are wrong. It doesn't take much expertise to understand the difference between an air-superiority fighter and a ground attack plane. And I have more than enough expertise to tell the difference.

1. These are active US military (fighter) jets.

2. Are you asserting that each of these American fighter jets don't have (dog fighting) air-to-air capabilities?

3. I suggest that you do your own research before answering that question.

F-35 Lightning II (F-35A)
F-15 Eagle (F-15C)
F-15 Fighting Eagle (F-15E)
F-16 Fighting Falcon (F-16C)
F/A-18A/B/C
F/A-18E/F
 

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