georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 09:11 am
@hightor,
Those are the usual responses to reduced government involvement in the economic activities of its citizens. However the facts reveal a different set of outcomes.

We have markedly reduced our carbon emissions through the replacement of coal with now abundant natural gas - a direct result of the fracking & directional drilling revolutions enabled by regulatory reform - and have achieved far more emissions reduction in the last few years than were achieved in a the previous decade of subsidized wind and solar power.

I'm not aware of any data indicating a rise in workplace injuries, though I will gladly review any you can point out.

Our infrastructure has suffered from an overall, lack of investment(and a good deal of misdirection of investments that were made) for several decades. Our current administration has done nothing to accelerate the long term decay of existing roads & bridges, and both parties appear to agree on the needed overdue increase in those investments. The only difference I see is the proclivity of Democrats for poor use of invested funds, as for example in truly loonie projects such as the long defunct and now cancelled California high speed rail line from LA to San Francisco ( nice idea but no one ever addressed the cost of the needed tunnel under the San Gabriel mountains, or the cost of a grade separated line from Livermore to SF.)

Economic & political histories are simply a series of "momentary" gains & losses: in the long run we're all dead. The beneficial effects of the recent economic situation are undeniable, and, as history amply confirms, the long term results of socialism and government-controlled economies are poverty and tyranny.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 09:27 am
@georgeob1,
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We have markedly reduced our carbon emissions through the replacement of coal...

But selling our coal for other countries to burn doesn't exactly reduce global CO2 emissions.
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I'm not aware of any data indicating a rise in workplace injuries...

As I said, some of these effects take a while to play out. A lot of it depends on the perceived mentality of the regulators. When I was working in a shipyard, the difference between OSHA awareness and enforcement between the Bush I and Clinton administrations was pretty clear.
Quote:
Both parties appear to agree on the needed overdue increase in those investments.

I'll be awaiting the GOP plan. I have a feeling it will rely entirely too much on "public-private" projects where the government promises a small percentage of seed money and states are expected to raise the remaining 90% on their own. I'd really prefer a broad-based tax — maybe an infrastructure surcharge on federal taxes with clear goals in mind, maybe even one of those thermometers on the White House lawn displaying our country's progress toward achieving our monetary goal.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 10:10 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
We have markedly reduced our carbon emissions through the replacement of coal...

But selling our coal for other countries to burn doesn't exactly reduce global CO2 emissions.
Coal is an abundant commodity across the world, and no country is avoiding the use of it when needed to meet its energy needs. Most North American coal is of a much higher quality than that found in Europe and much of Asia. It has lower sulfur content and a significantly higher heating value when burned. That means you burn less of it to get the same energy output. So, contrary to your assertion it is indeed an environmental benefit.
hightor wrote:
Quote:
I'm not aware of any data indicating a rise in workplace injuries...

As I said, some of these effects take a while to play out. A lot of it depends on the perceived mentality of the regulators. When I was working in a shipyard, the difference between OSHA awareness and enforcement between the Bush I and Clinton administrations was pretty clear.
I'll agree shipyards can be dangerous places, however I'm unaware of any relaxation of OSHA rules that has occurred or indeed of their enforcement. Perhaps you have other information.
hightor wrote:
Quote:
Both parties appear to agree on the needed overdue increase in those investments.

I'll be awaiting the GOP plan. I have a feeling it will rely entirely too much on "public-private" projects where the government promises a small percentage of seed money and states are expected to raise the remaining 90% on their own. I'd really prefer a broad-based tax — maybe an infrastructure surcharge on federal taxes with clear goals in mind, maybe even one of those thermometers on the White House lawn displaying our country's progress toward achieving our monetary goal.
Trump has already started a dialogue with Democrats on one: in the current Congress whatever results will be the work of both Parties. Trump has correctly identified the largely absurd regulatory requirements and endless reviews that raise the costs and time required for most infrastructure projects. Indeed this, more than government spending constraints, is the cause of our current infrastructure problem, and if we don't fix it the problem will continue.. I appreciate your distaste for Public Private partnerships. However, they have proven to be very efficient. Federally financed construction projects cost are much more expensive than private ones due to government corruption and generally absurd contract requirements.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 11:08 am
Regarding Bernie’s plans for insuring Americans.

As a teacher, I have great insurance—on paper. I spend $300. a month for the prestige of calling myself insured. That’s 15% of my net. I never use it because of copays, but more so the extensive add on costs for bloodwork and anything in addition to walk in to the doctor’s office.

I can’t afford healthcare, although, on paper, I supposedly have it.

On occasion, when I actually use it, the bastards try to deny it. They wrap me up in endless paperwork and faxes trying to prove I am qualified to receive healthcare services they promise I am paying for. How many hours of your life has been spent arguing with insurance companies or straightening out foul ups by doctor and dentist offices?

This must end.

I can pay a fraction of what I’m paying under Bernie Sanders’ plan and actually GET HEALTHCARE.

Please think about what you pay already, how often you’re denied, and the astronomical added costs you are required to pay. Think about the cost of medical procedures and medication prescribed.

Think outside what you’ve been manipulated to believe by lawmakers is the “American way.” Lawmakers make millions in backdoor payments from the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies to keep you paying psychotic amounts.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 11:24 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
So, contrary to your assertion it is indeed an environmental benefit.

I disagree. (I'm sure you're not surprised!) The CO2 is still being emitted. I don't think all the coal we export is high quality anthracite either. I doubt the buyers have scrubbers and filters installed on their stacks, and I suspect they have no safe way to dispose of their coal ash. Clean coal is, at the present time, still in the planning stage. But yeah, it's good for business. For a while.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 11:31 am
@hightor,
You're right about anthracite: it's less than a quarter of our output. However the rest is all high grade bituminous coal with a higher heat/pound burned than the lignite and low grade bituminous than prevails elsewhere. However you may feel about the abstract "evil" of exporting coal, the fact that we do does indeed reduce global emissions.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 02:16 pm
@georgeob1,
Screw the heat ratio. How much co2 and mercury does it produce?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 05:04 pm
@RABEL222,
I'll try to keep this simple for you. Lower grades of coal (Lignite and sub bituminous coal have higher embedded moisture and a significantly lower level of energy release when burned. That means one has to burn much more of them (and release more metallic contaminants) to achieve a fixed level of energy output ( or heating value). Thus to achieve a fixed energy output one must burn twice as much Lignite (and release twice as much CO2 & mercury) compared to bituminous or anthracite coal.

Germany is one of the world's largest producers and consumers of low quality Lignite coal. When Angela Merkel shut down about half of Germany's Nuclear reactors to placate its Green Party the lost energy was largely replaced with Lignite fed powerplants. This alone wiped out all the gains they had achieved (at great cost) through their ubiquitous wind power sources.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 May, 2019 06:18 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5w1UwaXkAAdVoE?format=jpg&name=medium
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 08:18 am
This point from Warren gets traction, for me at least.
Quote:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) was the first Democratic 2020 hopeful to take a direct swing at former Vice President Joe Biden since he got into the race, accusing him of being “on the side of the credit companies” in a fight that launched her political career a decade ago.

Warren’s quarrel with Biden isn’t personal. It’s about a 2005 bankruptcy bill he supported as a senator. Warren opposed the bill so vehemently that its passage inspired her transition from a Harvard bankruptcy law professor, who studied middle-class economics, to a senator and now a presidential hopeful.

“I got in that fight because [families] just didn’t have anyone and Joe Biden was on the side of the credit card companies,” Warren said after an April rally in Iowa. “It’s all a matter of public record.”
http://bit.ly/2H4DjYe
snood
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 08:22 am
@blatham,
Yes this is a good issue for her. It is inher wheelhouse of opposing big corrupt money, and every time she talks about it, it is obviously something heartfelt.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 08:54 am
@snood,
Yeah. And in this sphere (finance) she knows her stuff far better than any other candidate. And I think such expertise is an important tool in shifting power back towards citizens rather than voracious and amoral profit-seekers.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 08:57 am
@blatham,
As of today Harris and Warren are my faves.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 09:43 am
@snood,
True for me as well. Though I have to say my opinions aren't nearly so well informed as they ought to be. But I've got time to get some learnin' done.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 09:45 am
@blatham,
Me too neither Alfalfa
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revelette1
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 11:24 am
@blatham,
Well at least you have leanings. I have no favorite picked out but I wouldn't either Warren or Harris (or both in whatever order) wins. Some of the others I am not so sure about. The one problem I have with both is that I don't know how they feel in foreign affairs. They need to talk about those issues as well as domestic ones. (I always think of something after posting...anyway) Biden at least has good experience there but I admit I don't like that he sided on the side of the credit card companies. However, he was VP with Obama; and Obama made some changes there. Not enough but more than it was and pretty good in the time they had the clout to do it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30884011/ns/business-personal_finance/t/obama-signs-new-rules-credit-cards-law/#.XNBvKPZFzIU
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 12:33 pm
@revelette1,
It wouldn't rule him out for me but I definitely hold him in the wrong for that support.

Foreign policy is, for me, fairly far down the list of concerns. Any Dem candidate is bound to be saner than any modern GOP candidate and certainly far saner than the lunatic in the WH. Maximization of Dem power through elections/activism seems the only way to prevent things from going totally to hell.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 12:39 pm
PS... Unless something notable arises, I'm not going to engage in discussions on the various candidates at this point. Much will change before it gets important.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 12:49 pm
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Some Democrats have begun to worry that if President Trump loses reelection next year, he may refuse to give up power. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned in an interview published over the weekend that the Democrat will need a landslide victory to keep Trump from refusing to leave office.

Given that Trump himself is feeding this idea -- he’s now saying that he had the first two years of his presidency “stolen” from him by the Russia investigation -- this is not an unreasonable worry.

But in a sense, Democrats are actually worried about the wrong threat. The real threat is a related one, but it concerns the whole Republican Party, and not just Trump.

It’s that the next Democratic president could face an opposition party that acts as though the president has no legitimacy whatsoever. And I fear that Democrats, with their focus on Trump, are not taking this threat seriously enough.

You see this blind spot among many of the 2020 candidates. Sen. Bernie Sanders doesn’t see any need to get rid of the legislative filibuster if he becomes president, in the apparent belief that some Republicans will support his agenda.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden believes that Trump is but a strange historical anomaly we just need to get past, and then the GOP will return to sanity. “This is not the Republican Party,” he told a crowd in Iowa, testifying to the good will of “my Republican friends in the House and Senate.”

Someone might remind Biden that in 2009, when he was Vice President, Republicans decided to oppose Barack Obama on anything and everything he wanted to do...
https://wapo.st/2Yavh60

Waldman is exactly right. Movement conservatism holds as a fundamental premise that only their vision/ideology of governance is legitimate. It isn't that they believe their notions to be superior but rather than any other set of ideas is un-American and will lead to certain national degradation and even collapse. This is a faith stance.

At least, it is a faith stance for many of them (which partly explains why so many evangelicals have been captured and folded into the movement). For many others though, like the libertarian crowd of the Kochs et al, there may be an extremist ideological frame through which they think but we cannot ignore how much this portion of the US community has been driven, from the outset, by greed.

georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 6 May, 2019 12:58 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
… Movement conservatism holds as a fundamental premise that only their vision/ideology of governance is legitimate. It isn't that they believe their notions to be superior but rather than any other set of ideas is un-American and will lead to certain national degradation and even collapse. This is a faith stance.

Mu strong impression is that the same thing could accurately be said about your views on "progressive" politics.
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