Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 07:50 pm
@blatham,
Many have not. And it does matter how many have.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 07:55 pm
@Lash,
Then your position would be that Sanders does not have to finally release his taxes so long as others have not? Correct or false?
Lash
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 08:12 pm
@blatham,
I would say that, due to fairness, Bernie shouldn’t be expected to do what others haven’t, but since Bernie said the following, it set an expectation:

As he battled Clinton for the party’s nomination in 2016, Sanders released a brief summary of his federal returns, known as a Form 1040, from 2014. Under pressure from critics and the Clinton campaign, he eventually released his full 2014 federal tax return, filed jointly with his wife, Jane, providing a somewhat clearer picture of his finances from a single year.

Clinton released eight full years of tax returns on her campaign website, and later released her 2015 tax returns, an effort to pressure Trump to do the same.

"There was this sense he was kicking this can down the road until he was out of the race," Fallon said of Sanders. "Presumably, when he decided to run this time, he should've factored in that this campaign was going to come with an added level of scrutiny."

Asked when Sanders will release his returns, his campaign pointed ABC News to the senator's comments on “The Daily Show” Thursday night, where he suggested he may release a decade of federal returns as Tax Day approaches.

“April 15 is coming. That will be the tenth year and we will make them all public very shortly,” he told host Trevor Noah.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 08:17 pm
@Lash,
So you're assuming he will do a full release perhaps as early as then. If so, perfect. Then there is no problem. If not, problem. Big one.
Lash
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 08:22 pm
@blatham,
It’ll be a big problem for Harris, Booker, billionaire Beto and crew, as well. Certainly if this is a great issue against Trump, every D should be transparent.
maporsche
 
  3  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 08:23 pm
Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, put out their returns for 2015. They previously have made more than 30 years of their returns public.
Lash
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 08:31 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, put out their returns for 2015. They previously have made more than 30 years of their returns public.


They are really model citizens, aren’t they?

https://www.thenation.com/article/when-it-comes-to-taxes-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton-have-one-thing-in-common/

When It Comes to Taxes, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton Have 1 Thing in Common

Tax avoidance by the wealthiest Americans—including the presidential front-runners—costs the US government an additional $130 billion per year.
By Nomi Prins

You aren’t that stupid, are you?
Lash
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 08:38 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, put out their returns for 2015. They previously have made more than 30 years of their returns public.

https://www.atr.org/clinton-tax-returns-show-death-tax-hypocrisy?amp

Excerpt:

Clinton Tax Returns Show Death Tax Hypocrisy

Submitted by ndevincenzi on Friday, August 12th, 2016, 2,44 PM

Death Tax for thee, but not for me.

Hillary Clinton has always pushed for a steep Death Tax on the American people. But when it comes to her own finances, it is a different story. Clinton’s newly released tax returns show she still uses tax avoidance strategies to shield her Death Tax liability.

According to a 2014 report by Bloomberg News, the Clintons created trusts in 2010 and shifted ownership of their New York home to it in 2011. In doing so, they will avoid paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in future death taxes.

As Bloomberg reports:

To reduce the tax pinch, the Clintons are using financial planning strategies befitting the top 1 percent of U.S. households in wealth. These moves, common among multimillionaires, will help shield some of their estate from the tax that now tops out at 40 percent of assets upon death.

The Clintons created residence trusts in 2010 and shifted ownership of their New York house into them in 2011, according to federal financial disclosures and local property records.

But Hillary Clinton’s official campaign website, in calling for a steep Death Tax hike, scolds:

She will also close complex loopholes, including methods that people can now use to make their estates appear to be worth less than they really are.

Oh! Let’s go back to the Bloomberg article:

Among the tax advantages of such trusts is that any appreciation in the house’s value can happen outside their taxable estate. The move could save the Clintons hundreds of thousands of dollars in estate taxes, said David Scott Sloan, a partner at Holland & Knight LLP in Boston.

“The goal is really be thoughtful and try to build up the nontaxable estate, and that’s really what this is,” Sloan said. “You’re creating things that are going to be on the nontaxable side of the balance sheet when they die.”

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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 08:40 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/slaughter-buttigieg-responses/
Buttigieg takes a bad step toward Israel...if you're a progressive.

"Not being a neonazi" is a bad step in the view of progressives?
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
  3  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 09:10 pm
@Lash,
I said "four of the top 10 declared candidates". You think Messam and Williamson are in the top 10 Dem candidates? Or any of these for that matter?
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 09:12 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
every D should be transparent.
Of course they should. And it will be a deal breaker for any who do not. And that's not merely because it gives Trump an easy and undeserved out. It is because it will be dishonest.
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 09:22 pm
This is a great read:

Socialism, but in Iowa

Much like in places around the country, the DSA is flourishing in Iowa. So this Atlantic reporter went there to meet them, and found that the usual stereotypes about Brooklyn hipster socialists definitely don't apply.

It's a nice piece, thoughtful and fair, and much like the DSA members being described concerned with a longer timeframe than just the next presidential campaign and whatever outrage du jour is stirring Twitter.

To be fair, DSA chapters vary tremendously from place to place -- it's an extremely decentralized organisation. Some do fit the stereotypes. Some are unduly influenced by people with pretty reactionary, Gabbard-like views on international politics. Other chapters are great.

Seems like that includes these guys, who sounds unapologetically radical but at the same time level-headed about priorities and pragmatic about strategy. Who shrug off the dual temptations of focusing overly on either Bernie and Dem party politics or pseudo-intellectual debates about ideological doctrines. Instead, they're out there gathering signatures for a renters' union, signing up people who face eviction or abuse by exploitative landlords. Regular people, real-life concerns.
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nimh
 
  5  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 09:35 pm
Also, in case it hadn't been mentioned around here yet, there were city council run-off elections in Chicago last week - first round was in February...

Two Democratic Socialists were elected outright in February. At least three, probably four more were elected now:

Democratic socialists now control one-tenth of the Chicago City Council

Quote:
By the time the 35th Ward Alderman took the stage at Rosanna Rodríguez-Sánchez’s election-night party at Chief O’Neill’s in Avondale, Chicago had experienced the biggest electoral victory for socialists in modern American history. Members of the group now control one-tenth of the City Council’s 50 seats. [...]

Even with the 33rd Ward race still too close to call, five socialists is the most in Chicago since the 1910s, a decade in which the city was a hub of the radical left in America. Before the Red Scare of 1919, a dozen socialist newspapers were published in the city, and the city elected several aldermen who belonged to the Cook County Socialist Party, founded in 1896 as a response to the Pullman strike in Chicago.

Nearly a century after it declined in popularity, democratic socialism has enjoyed a significant boost by Bernie Sanders’ two presidential campaigns and the mercurial rise of DSA member and U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. National membership in the group [..] has multiplied by more than seven times since 2015, from 8,000 to 60,000.


See also this Guardian op-ed:

Quote:
The socialists won by strong, straightforward campaigning on working-class issues. Rosa, for example, made his race a referendum on affordable housing in a rapidly gentrifying neighborhood, painting big real estate developers as the enemy and demanding rent control in the city.

Taylor, a longtime neighborhood and education activist on the city’s South Side, demanded the forthcoming Barack Obama presidential library in her ward include a community benefits agreement to fight displacement of working-class residents. In 2015, she participated in a 34-day hunger strike to demand the reopening of Walter H Dyett high school; her website homepage reads: “Send a Dyett hunger strike to city hall.”

And Rodriguez campaigned on a history of activism for affordable housing and immigrant rights in a gentrifying, working-class immigrant neighborhood and against privatization of public services and expansion of police power in the city. [...]

Political observers and organizers should take these victories as a lesson: voters found that strong leftwing message appealing – and weren’t scared off by candidates who proudly called themselves “socialists”.
edgarblythe
 
  3  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 10:11 pm
I don't understand all the angst over releasing taxes. I expect that all serious Democratic contenders will do so in plenty of time before the primaries.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 10:29 pm
When it is suggested that I myself consider Sanders to be Saint Bernie, as though I am likely starstruck or wild eyed and misguided - whatever they mean to imply - Not so. I consider him a brother. We both have championed the same causes, from the 1960s to the present. He is the only prominent politician running today who did not need to "evolve," as he was already there.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 10:35 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I don't understand all the angst over releasing taxes. I expect that all serious Democratic contenders will do so in plenty of time before the primaries.


I'm with Edgar on this point. I figure a bunch of them will drop out before too long, at least I hope so. If they don't, they run the risk of promoting a Howard Stern character or another circus clown like Trump. There will be enough time to get the tax business settled, plus I really want to know how they plan to reverse this suicide mission President 'LOOK AT ME' has us on.
0 Replies
 
Real Music
 
  2  
Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 10:37 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
I don't understand all the angst over releasing taxes. I expect that all serious Democratic contenders will do so
in plenty of time before the primaries.

I AGREE.
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hightor
 
  1  
Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2019 02:44 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Feel better about Sanders now?

Actually I feel a bit more concerned.
Quote:
The louder the media demanded his returns, the more convinced he became that the issue was manufactured trivia.

Because he didn't expect to win? That seems sort of dodgy. Maybe he doesn't feel that his hold on the left wing of the party is that secure and he's basically saying that a certain percentage of his supporters are ready to bolt if he doesn't measure up to their concept of ideological purity because,say, it turns out he's got a few million in the bank? People his age have often accumulated wealth honestly and incrementally over many decades; it's nothing to be ashamed about.

This is from the link you used:
Quote:
Sanders’s refusal to bend on any issue, no matter how minor, may be endearing to his most passionate supporters, but he’s doing both them and the country a disservice. An unbending approach to minutiae harms not only him, but his movement — and begins to look selfish and entitled. A million people have raised their hands to volunteer to make Sanders president. They deserve more from him.


I imagine he'll fold eventually and release his returns but don't try to tell us that this burnishes "Bernie's" progressive image.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2019 02:49 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Tax avoidance by the wealthiest Americans—including the presidential front-runners—costs the US government an additional $130 billion per year.

Tax "avoidance" is legal. Tax evasion is not. To collect more taxes from the wealthy (which is a good idea) requires changes to the tax laws. Changes we won't be seeing from the Trump administration or any other government run by the GOP.
Lash
 
  -3  
Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2019 03:39 am
@hightor,
It’s disgusting and immoral to hound poor and average Americans for their nickels and hide millions.
 

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