coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 12:42 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
@edgar and others who are able to read above a Grade 4 level...

Watch it, Hightor is going to yell at you. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 01:21 pm
@blatham,
Considering how the Left has been determined, with the help of the liberal media, to label Trump and MAGA "racist" with incredibly less evidence, it's rich that you socialists are bitching about being called what you are. If you're for socialist programs defend them and stop trying to deny their ideological roots.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 01:48 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
you socialists are bitching about being called what you are.
You've quite missed what Waldman wrote, if that is what you are referring to.

If you are referring to my earlier post re Sanders' supporters using the term as a self-descriptor, you've missed the key element there as well. For example, if you went out on the street and asked 100 people what "socialism" means, you'll get a range of definitions, almost all of which will be deeply uneducated (and in my experience even most Sanders' supporters won't don't do much better). "Socialism" has no fixed meaning or definition. Here's one dictionary definition:
Quote:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

"Owned by" and "regulated by" are concepts that are profoundly different. I expect you aren't opposed to regulations that keep lead out of your family's drinking water or by regulations which specify codes for constructing the bridges you drive over or regulations that govern how banks operate, etc.

Are you then a "socialist"?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 01:52 pm
@blatham,
I'm referring to all the blather that has been produced here against socialists being called socialists.

Waldman is an ass.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 02:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
This has been so profitable.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 02:44 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You can call me a socialist, I won't mind... :-)
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 02:46 pm
@blatham,
If Finn wants Social Security and frequents libraries, we might accuse him of being a socialist.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 03:08 pm
@Lash,
Given if we define the term in the "regulate" sense, obviously yes. This is why the term effectively loses any beneficial usefulness unless it is carefully defined and explained with relevant examples. Leaving the meaning ambiguous or ill-defined opens the door confusion, misinformation and to propagandist uses of language.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 03:50 pm
I understand how the word 'socialism' makes the dogs bark. I only label myself a socialist in some social media interactions. I would not blast it all over the place when so many don't understand it. Arguments against socialism work like the insidious notions hammered in about black welfare ladies driving in Cadillacs to procure racks of lamb for their dozen or so multiparented offspring, which drives others to harp until welfare gets gutted.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 03:57 pm
Bernie Sanders Is Quietly Building a Digital Media Empire

His live videos now regularly draw more viewers than CNN. So is this a 2020 strategy? It sure could be

https://medium.com/new-york-magazine/bernie-sanders-is-quietly-building-a-digital-media-empire-bdd1c87c3951

I haven't read this through, but I put it here so I could find it again.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 04:55 pm
@Lash,
Oh please! Don't be such a tool. Bernie wouldn't like it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 05:03 pm
@Olivier5,
Good for you!

Embrace it; unlike these others
snood
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 05:09 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Good for you!

Embrace it; unlike these others


It makes sense in some circumstances not to trumpet everything one is. For instance people seeking office may hedge if they are atheist or agnostic, in the interest of a bigger plan - like getting into office.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 05:27 pm
@edgarblythe,
Ees goot
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livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 05:37 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I understand how the word 'socialism' makes the dogs bark. I only label myself a socialist in some social media interactions. I would not blast it all over the place when so many don't understand it. Arguments against socialism work like the insidious notions hammered in about black welfare ladies driving in Cadillacs to procure racks of lamb for their dozen or so multiparented offspring, which drives others to harp until welfare gets gutted.

The reason people don't understand it is because they only want to use it to ridicule their enemies, but not to understand how capitalism naturally leads to various forms of socialism, private as well as public.

Public socialism just makes it obvious enough to criticize. Notice, for example, that no one was complaining about corporations and health insurance companies forming insurance 'societies' in the form of 'employee group plans' before ACA. Once ACA mandated health insurance, however, it was the government involvement that had people crying 'socialism.'

Ultimately, insurance is a form of socialism whether voluntary and private or public and mandatory. That's why it made sense when MLK said that the US already had socialism for the rich and rugged individualism only for the poor.

If we lived truly in liberty, we would all be economically self-sufficient and then studying medicine, politics, law, etc. would all be voluntary activities free people engaged in for the public good. They wouldn't need to charge money for charity, because they would be independently economically self-sufficient.

Capitalism thus steers individuals' choices of how to allot their time and effort and whose interests to serve (i.e. those that pay). Hardly anyone even pays a moment of thought to what the ideal of a truly liberty-steered society would be like, where people are truly free to obey only one master and not two, as the Bible describes service to money.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 05:41 pm
They just arrested a Coast Guard officer for being still yet another white nationalist stockpiling weapons to use to massacre, among others, Pelosi and Schumer. Oh you silly white nationalist guys.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 06:08 pm
@snood,
You mean dishonesty?

In any case, I doubt anyone here is trying to get into office.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 06:10 pm
@edgarblythe,
I'm sure you have that chalked up on your kitchen slate board Rolling Eyes
snood
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 06:13 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Everything is context here. In Edgar’s case, he demurs from saying he’s socialist when to speak of it would get him a lot of unwanted attention from stupid people. A klansman might not shout white power on certain corners in Southside Chicago. Is that dishonesty?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2019 06:15 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Come on. Celebrate the white power guys with me. Killing Sprees R Us.
 

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