edgarblythe
 
  2  
Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2019 09:13 pm
@Lash,
The US never intervenes like this without an ulterior motive.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 12:50 am
@edgarblythe,
We are not intervening.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 12:51 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The US is staging a coup because like Saddam before him, a corrupt government has something we desperately want/need.
Venezuela does not have anything we need, and we are not staging a coup.

Lash wrote:
Maduro despises is for wrecking their economy with sanctions etc.
Maduro wrecked his own economy. We had nothing to do with it.

Lash wrote:
and he is stripping us of the petrodollar.
There is no such thing as a petrodollar.

Lash wrote:
I’m sure you gentlemen know that our economy only floats at a trillion dollar deficit because we hold on to petrodollar status like charlton Heston hangs on to his gun.
We are able to have a large debt because we are a large and reputable economy.

There is no such thing as a petrodollar.
Lash
 
  2  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 01:34 am
@oralloy,
Ok, cuckoo.

Google it and your head will explode.
Real Music
 
  1  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 04:12 am
The History of U.S. Presidential Elections (1964-2016)

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 09:56 am
My daughter went through a similar experience when she carried her oldest son.
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51338505_139119477108119_1773761861922062336_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fhou1-2.fna&oh=c8cc986ecd75fe2ad3f40bb3873f8f10&oe=5CB87547
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 10:00 am
@Lash,
I'm well aware of the lunatic conspiracy theory. I was aware of it back when it was an isolated rightwing conspiracy theory, long before leftwing lunatics took it and ran with it.

I'm also aware of the claims that NASA faked the moon landings, and the claims that Elvis and JFK perpetrated the 9/11 attacks.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 10:04 am
Progressives Warn Against Democrats Pushing 'Diluted' Half-Measures as Alternative to Medicare for All

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/01/22/progressives-warn-against-democrats-pushing-diluted-half-measures-alternative?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=Progressives+Warn+Against+Democrats+Pushing+%27Diluted%27+Half-Measures+as+Alternative+to+Medicare+for+All&utm_campaign=%27Act+As+If+Our+House+Is+on+Fire.+Because+It+Is.%27+%7C+Your+Week+in+Review&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly+Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&cm_mmc=Act-On+Software-_-email-_-%27Act+As+If+Our+House+Is+on+Fire.+Because+It+Is.%27+%7C+Your+Week+in+Review-_-Progressives+Warn+Against+Democrats+Pushing+%27Diluted%27+Half-Measures+as+Alternative+to+Medicare+for+All&fbclid=IwAR3pjr3Wyc1ws46IQh3RjovjwCxFRwg2nSz4_kw-EEKIhyZZW3kgD38Nxno
maporsche
 
  4  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 10:20 am
@edgarblythe,
Have you seen the polls that show the support for "Medicare for All" goes down once you describe what that means? And that support for these "diluted half-measures" has more support than M4A?

Quote:
Larger majorities of the public favor more incremental changes to the health care system such as a Medicare buy-in plan for adults between the ages of 50 and 64 (77 percent), a Medicaid buy-in plan for individuals who don’t receive health coverage through their employer (75 percent), and an optional program similar to Medicare for those who want it (74 percent). Both the Medicare buy-in plan and Medicaid buy-in plan also garner majority support from Republicans (69 percent and 64 percent­).

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-january-2019/
https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/9273-figure-6.png?w=800&h=450
https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/9273-figure-4.png?w=800&h=450

https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/9273-figure-5.png?w=800&h=450
edgarblythe
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 10:51 am
@maporsche,
Poisoned information.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 11:15 am
In the 1950s, 60s and 70s, social movements in Latin America began to challenge stratified class systems that were often hangovers from colonial rule. Leftwing movements and populist parties gained support, and sometimes power, in countries including Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua and Bolivia. In Chile, Salvador Allende became the world’s first democratically elected Marxist president in 1970.

In the context of the Cold War, the U.S. viewed those developments down south as a threat to the global balance of power: American security forces did not want more of its neighbors to become allies of the U.S.S.R. They also wanted to protect American businesses and assets in the region, fearing that any new leftwing governments would follow the example of Cuba after its revolution and throw foreign powers out of the country.

To help stop any of that from happening, the U.S. used a range of interventionist methods. In the 1960s, State Department officials and CIA agents were intimately involved in training and assisting Guatemalan security forces, who killed thousands of civilians during a civil war with leftist rebels against the right-wing government. In the 1970s in Chile, the CIA attempted to thwart Allende’s ascent and later lent support to the General Augusto Pinochet, the right-wing military dictator who overthrew him. Pinochet’s regime murdered 3,065 of its citizens and committed human rights abuses against almost 40,000. In the 1980s in Nicaragua, the U.S. backed the right-wing Contra rebels to take on the socialist Sandinista government, leading to a decade of violent struggle.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5512005/venezuela-us-intervention-history-latin-america
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 11:23 am
@Lash,
Yep. I've been seeing it since before the Cuban revolution and it has never let up.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 11:25 am
I've been so consumed by the issues of late it has almost completely brought a shutdown to my novel writing. I have to take a break to get back on track.
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edgarblythe
 
  0  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 11:29 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Poisoned information.

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oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 11:32 am
@Lash,
We had to prevent the Soviets from conquering the world. It was a matter of self preservation.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 11:33 am
@edgarblythe,
We stopped doing it after the Soviet Union fell.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 11:38 am
I'm going to link to a very good piece on Roger Stone from 2008 written by Jeffrey Toobin in the New Yorker. I hope you folks will read it. The important aspect to attend to is Stone's accounts of his dirty tricks "accomplishments" which were usually highly effective. Here's a quote that is entirely relevant to how the GOP and its agents go about politics these days. And it is entirely relevant to friction and opposition between "progressives" and "liberals".
Quote:
“Politics is not about uniting people. It’s about dividing people."

It will be the case - to a 100% certainty - that GOP interests will be covertly working to cause dissension among Dem voters/supporters. Recognize this as a fundamental truth/fact and resist being suckered.
New Yorker
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 12:05 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
2008 written by Jeffrey Toobin in the New Yorker.

Toobin is a race baiting hack and a liar.
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blatham
 
  0  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 05:03 pm
I've been think a lot about Ocasio-Cortez since seeing her appearance on Colbert. To me, she's the most magnetic political personality I've seen since Obama (and she might prove to be more so). She is going to inspire many, many young Americans and women (and us others) in a manner and to a degree that I think could really tip the scales. And I'm sure smart Republicans understand this is the threat - her media savvy and her high charisma (to all the correct demographics if one wishes to build a vital movement).
georgeob1
 
  3  
Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 05:29 pm
@blatham,
Well I hope she stays in the spotlight. Trump needs the boost, and she is the polar alternative. I don't think her frequent gaffes will wear well among thinking voters, and I don't buy her populist notion that believing intensely in something will make it either occur or work as imagined.
 

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