Progressives (Liberals)

Obamacare in its best days was a giveaway to insurance companies and too many states like Texas actively worked to make certain nobody here could benefit from it without paying high premiums. It's a system that makes one a customer to be exploited, instead of simply allowing one to get treatment as needed. Polls shift like the tide. When enough politicians get behind medicare for all, so will the polls.

11 years 362 days until the end of the world.

Like I said, there were compromises and some of the provisions got knocked down, the worst was the one I mentioned already. That being the case and the chances of our conservative court reversing any of those rulings are small with our current Supreme Court (Not the one we would have had if a democrat would have won... just saying), the best bet is to keep what we got until the day we get majorities in both houses and the WH and implement Medicare for all to start all over. I just wonder how the ruling of the Medicare expansion in states that don't want it will effect a Medicare for all bill?

There would be any of dozens of new legal challenges on every part of any new medicare-for-all bill and if it goes in front of a court like that judge down in Texas, with this SCOTUS you can't be sure any bill that got passed by a Democratic government wouldn't be gutted in the courts.

The #TrumpLegacy will be the SCOTUS. It will impact legislation for decades.

True, but I was responding to your remark about Groucho Marx.

Socialism involves expanded government intervention in the lives and economic choices of all citizens . That can work in small very homogenous societies with strong cultural values, such as Sweden, but even there they alternated with free market governments, and the government control of the economy is very limited. In most other applications Socialism yields stagnant economies. with little growth or innovation. and poor living standards for all. In many others like the states of the former Soviet Empire and more recently Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela it has yielded tyranny and real poverty for all.

I am afraid you might be right about the probable lawsuits and probable outcome of those lawsuits. Down below is a link to the ruling we are talking about.

https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/8347.pdf

. There's a huge difference between Socialism and Capitalism; social programs under Capitalism benefits most of its citizens. As children, our mother raised four children alone. We lived on welfare; we couldn't have survived without it. Our home was a "room" created by army blankets at the Buddhist Church schoolrooms. Many families lived in those conditions after WWII after we were released from concentration camps. There were 10 camps in the US. All my siblings and I have paid in taxes to help those in need today. I have no qualms about paying higher taxes to help fellow American citizens who are having difficulty through no fault of their own.

All governments and political minded people want to control society by interfering with what citizens do and controlling which entities deal with which and in what ways. So-called conservatives are as actively engaged in what I can do in the market place, in the bedroom, in foreign policy, with my money, with my body, as any Marxist or Nazi ever can be. I happen to be of the persuasion than a predominantly democratic socialist bent can do the best for the most people.

Under the current capitalist system, even if you remove Trump from consideration, we are fast losing our social institutions and freedom.

Under Trump, the trend is pretty clear that our democracy is being destroyed. Here's one of the best articles I could find on "Trump is destroying our democracy." https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-trump-destroy-american-democracy-20161214-story.html. The important message here is that the republicans are allowing Trump to destroy our country.

Destruction under Trump is a given. He is incapable of anything else. I am going on about the trends that existed even as he came along to make it worse.

Didn’t Dwight Eisenhower preside over a 90% rate for the highest earners?

Sure did.

70% of Americans want Medicare for All.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/08/28/most-americans-now-support-medicare-for-all-and-free-college-tuition.html

The vast majority of Americans, 70 percent, now support Medicare-for-all, otherwise known as single-payer health care, according to a new Reuters survey. That includes 85 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of Republicans. Only 20 percent of Americans say they outright oppose the idea.
"Medicare is a very popular program, so the idea of expanding it to everyone is popular as well," Larry Levitt, senior vice president for health reform at the Kaiser Family Foundation, tells CNBC Make It. "The advantage of Medicare-for-all, which is much closer to how the rest of the world provides health care to their residents, is that you can achieve universal coverage at a lower cost."

Good post. Thanks for sharing. Why only 52% of republicans want universal healthcare only proves they are more interested in profit than human lives. At least they're in the majority favoring universal healthcare - which is somewhat comforting.

Since he was a black man he couldent have believed in our white god. Could he?

I don't think that's entirely fair to their position.

I think most of them would say that they have a problem with the government taking over yet another part of our lives. They also seem to often say that it's mostly everyone's job to take care of themselves and personal freedom and independence (including the right NOT to buy healthcare) is inherent to our country's doctrine.

I doubt that they're interested in making sure the the insurance industry posts record high profits or that they really want more people to die.

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5c47f1972600007401faed96.jpeg?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale

That would make me 95 years old so I would be ready to go. Nothing to worry about.

God belief is god belief, so far as I am concerned.