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Stupid Senators

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 03:29 pm
Dookie writes
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And in case you forgot, it is the REPUBLICANS who are in firm control of every branch of government, and they are therefore making the rules governing this topic.


And in case you forgot, it was the DEMOCRATS who were in control when the standards of decency for the airways was first established, when the rating systems were set, and when gratuitous violence was first permitted on the airways.

And all that means absolutely nothing as society has evolved and changed over time. It is not the Neocon morality at question here but the public morality at question here--what is allowable? What is too much? What should the role of government be? Or are you saying that Democrats are devoid of any standards of decency and do not place any limits over what should be shown on the airways?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 03:41 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
If you don't agree with me, then tell us WHY...


Um, I'll limit my response to the post in question ....

I do not believe that for most people their common sense is dependent upon their political ideology. (This may not be true with you ...)

Nor do I agree that this issue is partisan, or political. That much is evidenced by the agreement we all had as to our mutual disagreement with these proposed changes. Of course some conservatives were outraged with the Super Bowl halftime show, but so were some liberals. You decided to make this a political issue, and I disagree with that characterization.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 03:44 pm
((((FWEET)))))
Time out!!
The love has suddenly left the room with Dookies comment. In case you (Dookie) failed to note, we are pretty much in accord that this "trial balloon" is not widely accepted by both sides.
Heres why

1 The GOP thinks that Stevens Brains have been pretty much frost bit.

2 The DEMS want more porn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 03:45 pm
Hmmm... and how would you know how many conservatives and how many liberals were outraged with the superbowl halftime show?

From what I saw and heard, it was mostly the conservatives who had a problem with Janet's breast, not the liberal progressives.

And since this is a (gasp!) political forum, then why so testy as to the poltical issues here? I DO see politics involved here, and there are politics in just about every discussion on these threads. My guess is because we are discussing them in a political forum. Perhaps you think otherwise...

At least you responded in kind. Let's see if you continue to do so...
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 03:47 pm
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2 The DEMS want more porn


Laughing
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 04:01 pm
<sigh>

Dookiestix wrote:
Hmmm... and how would you know how many conservatives and how many liberals were outraged with the superbowl halftime show?

From what I saw and heard, it was mostly the conservatives who had a problem with Janet's breast, not the liberal progressives.


Did I say I knew? Not that it matters, but for all I know your anecdotal evidence consists of you talking with all your liberal friends about how much you enjoyed seeing Janet Jackson's breast during the halftime of the Super Bowl, and your understanding that some conservatives were outraged.

Dookie wrote:
And since this is a (gasp!) political forum, then why so testy as to the poltical issues here? I DO see politics involved here, and there are politics in just about every discussion on these threads. My guess is because we are discussing them in a political forum. Perhaps you think otherwise...


Who's testy? I merely stated I didn't agree with your post, at which point you accused me of insulting you.

First you find my avatar sickening, then you feel I'm insulting you with my disagreement. Perhaps you need another break from this board?

Dookie wrote:
At least you responded in kind. Let's see if you continue to do so...


I often don't respond to your baiting or trolling. You needn't feel insulted when that happens.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 04:02 pm
Even when we all agree we can find something to argue about.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 04:12 pm
Yeah. It looks more like agreement if we aren't taking potshots at each other though.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 04:17 pm
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Of course some conservatives were outraged with the Super Bowl halftime show, but so were some liberals


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Did I say I knew?


Sigh...

Unlike you, I read the blogs, read the editorials, watched with glee while freepers went insane after Janet's breast was exposed, vs. the liberal bloggers and progressive sites which argued as to the hypocrisy of conservatives who love violence but seem to hate sex. Unlike you, I'm not throwing in the mindless invectives like "enjoyed seeing Janet Jackson's breast" to make a point. Very sad, and most pathetic indeed. I doubt you could do any better...

Even the subject of your avatar, who is now governor of this great state of California, has killed countless times on the silver screen.

Bottom line; we, as a society, can accept the killing and murders of many individuals on public television, but we somehow cannot come to grips with sexuality and nudity.

Republicans are running every level of government, therefore, THEY are making the rules regarding censorship.

After Ashcroft, Mr. Powell, and others, it is increasingly clear that we are already censoring nudity, while at the same time still glorifying violence on television.

Is there a single neoconservative who has the guts to answer a simple question: why violence, but not nudity? Why is nudity so much more offensive to mostly conservatives, whereas violence is actually quite cool?

And then, maybe, someone can come back to address what common sense really means regarding the attempt by Senators to censor the public airwaves.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 04:23 pm
Because violence is not nudity.

Can we get back on track now?

The only good thing I can see coming from this is the failure of the bill to pass the Senate if this gets amended to it. That will keep the fines from going to such extremes.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 04:33 pm
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Because violence is not nudity
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Unbelievable.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 08:25 pm
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The only good thing I can see coming from this is the failure of the bill to pass the Senate if this gets amended to it. That will keep the fines from going to such extremes.


Yes, very good point. Perhaps they can load the bill with all sorts of moral imperatives , thus guaranteeing that it would sink from sight.
Somebody dhould avail Mr Stern of this observation and he may get off his own "William Jennings Bryant" podium.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2005 06:58 am
Very early this morning, I turned on the TV and Neal Cavuto, one of Fox's featured anchors, was interviewing whatshisface, the Republican who is pushing the Senate to take up the decency bill that was passed overwhelmingly by a bipartisan House (38 dissenting votes I think.) That bill did not extend decency laws to Cable and Satellite radio,e tc., however, which this Congressman is pushing.....I'll think of his name in a minute.

Anyhow, Neal was obviously opposed to this tact and was pretty adament that this was taking things too far. The congressman stuck to his guns, but I wasn't picking up a great deal of passion or conviction from him.

So its possible this one will die. But toward that end, I recommend each of us do write our opinions--polite will get you a reading more than flaming will--and let it be known that regulation of the free airways is fine, but those paying for their news and entertainment don't want a lot of censorship.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2005 08:31 am
just how much censorship is a lot of censorship?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2005 08:37 am
I think the government has to apply censorship principles to broadcasts that intentionally encourage people to break the law for one.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2005 08:41 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I think the government has to apply censorship principles to broadcasts that intentionally encourage people to break the law for one.


Hmmm. What about broadcasts that encouraged people to violate segregation laws during the civil rights era?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2005 08:42 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I think the government has to apply censorship principles to broadcasts that intentionally encourage people to break the law for one.


Hmm - this is a reason, why the internet e.g. in China is limited.

I mean, I even kind of agree with you, fox. But we really should remember this as well when criticising other countries.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2005 09:15 am
What other country have I criticized Walter? And Freeduck there has been no segregation in this country since the 1950's, but nice deflection.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2005 09:21 am
Foxfyre wrote:
What other country have I criticized Walter? And Freeduck there has been no segregation in this country since the 1950's, but nice deflection.


Well, duh. I thought this was a theoretical discussion on how much censorship is apropriate for the government. Forgive me for expressing curiosity.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2005 09:29 am
Foxfyre wrote:
What other country have I criticized Walter?


None (here). I don't think, I said such either.
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