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Republican Phallus / Femiphobia Theory

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 01:26 pm
Now I'm thinking this article might be more on spot than I had believed. Look at how folks are getting their backs up about it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 01:26 pm
There is no defense of Coulter's words or actions; she is a racist, a bigot, a facist. By her own words.

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Wake up and face the evidence. You lost the last elections because the people wasn't convinced by your policies.That's all. You'd better ask What went wrong? instead of posting emabarrasing pieces of cranky liberal journalism like this.


The people weren't convinced of anyone's policies; they were scared. Scared of terrorists and fags.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 01:42 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Now I'm thinking this article might be more on spot than I had believed. Look at how folks are getting their backs up about it.


Only out of fear that you guys are being brainwashed by this kind of stuff.

Doesn't it bother you that the Ducat wants to keep conservatives and liberals so seperated? He writes about conservative housewives, conservative homosexuals, conservative officials, as though there could be no way a right thinking, moral liberal could ever do any of those things. There is no way a liberal woman would stay home and be a house wife, no way would a liberal homosexual write about other homosexuals.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 01:45 pm
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Only out of fear that you guys are being brainwashed by this kind of stuff.


You worry about Us being brainwashed?

Perhaps you should call up some of your own pundits and tell them to cut out the divisive speech; I'd start with Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, and O'reilly.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 01:48 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Only out of fear that you guys are being brainwashed by this kind of stuff.


You worry about Us being brainwashed?

Perhaps you should call up some of your own pundits and tell them to cut out the divisive speech; I'd start with Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, and O'reilly.

Cycloptichorn


How many times have I quoted Hannity, Limbaugh or O'reilly?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 01:56 pm
McGentrix wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Now I'm thinking this article might be more on spot than I had believed. Look at how folks are getting their backs up about it.


Only out of fear that you guys are being brainwashed by this kind of stuff.

Doesn't it bother you that the Ducat wants to keep conservatives and liberals so seperated? He writes about conservative housewives, conservative homosexuals, conservative officials, as though there could be no way a right thinking, moral liberal could ever do any of those things. There is no way a liberal woman would stay home and be a house wife, no way would a liberal homosexual write about other homosexuals.


?? That's not at all what I took his comments to mean.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 01:59 pm
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How many times have I quoted Hannity, Limbaugh or O'reilly?


Left Coulter off the list, I see.

I don't know how many times you've quoted them, and I never have presumed to; only trying to say that there is as much brainwashing, as you put it, from the right as there is from the left; and the argument can be made that there is far more, or at least that it reaches far more people.

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 01:59 pm
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One of the things that I find most distressing about politics, is that many people treat it almost like a religion................my party is all correct, and yours is all wrong. Personally, I think that both political parties have huge, gaping deficiencies. It is up to me to weigh the options, and then choose what I think is most appropriate for me, and my country.


This is a telling quote because it speaks to the core cause for the intense polarization in this country, and it's happening mostly from the rightwingers. It is the INFUSIONS of religion in both politics and government. The separation of church and state was established for a reason; so that this kind of polarization and blurring of the lines between church and state would not happen. But it's already been happening for years now. We now have faith-based initiatives, and the establishment of hiring practices that require that you share the same faith as the company you are working for. How scary is that? That is fascism. It is communism. It is NOT freedom and liberty, as Bush insists so many times in his propogandist speeches. Whatever happened to freedom FROM religion?

Cyclo suggests the divisive speech of Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly. But it goes WAY beyond that. These people blatantly lie on a daily basis, and are continuously called on it. Ann called Alan Colmes a liar for mearly reading an actual quote from a hateful Senator, and he took offense. FINALLY, a liberal with some backbone. I never thought Colmes would stand up so firmly to Ann's fascist idealism.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:02 pm
Saw that. Great clip.

Coulter was f'ing floored that someone would actually call her out, on the air, on Fox News. Hannity didn't know what to say. It was priceless.

I like Coulter's 'I don't accept your characterization of the facts' line she kept repeating. Great way to try and crawfish out of a bad argument.

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:04 pm
Relating back to the article, it is interesting that the male machoism and slamming of feminism is more akin to what's taking place in the Middle East, where women are tortured, abused, and even murdered by their own government for what is considered egregious acts against the Koran (adultery, for example). We may be a much more civilized society, but when you have a Harvard professor stating that women are below men in so many ways, that certainly doesn't help the American debate in defining what it means to be "equal" in this country.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:19 pm
Re: Republican Phallus / Femiphobia Theory
squinney wrote:
Very interesting articles about Republican / Conservative femiphobia follow. . . .


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Stephen J. Ducat: It's a culture based on male domination and a culture in which most things feminine tend to be devalued, even if they are secretly envied. In such a culture, the most important thing about being a man is not being a woman.

. . . The problem is that domination--either in a personal or a global context---can never be a permanent condition. It’s a relational state. It’s dependent on having somebody in a subordinate position. That means you could be manly today, but you’re not going to be manly tomorrow unless you’ve got somebody to push around and control, whether that is an abused wife or another country. So this kind of masculinity is really brittle.


DOMINATION -- playing the role of the bully.

The only difference between a man who is a bully and a boy who is a bully is the size of his playground (while his intellect always remains small). The BULLY simply wants his way. The BULLY doesn't use reason or logic . . . the BULLY resorts to name-calling: Chicken . . . Girly-Boy . . . Bleeding Heart Liberal . . . Damn Activist. The people who oppose the bullies are supposed to just whither away into the background and keep their mouths shut.

All things feminine are devalued as a sign of weakness. Caring for others is devalued as a sign of weakness. Our society is irrational in that we chastise Bullies when they're children and strong-arm their way through our school yards; but we bend to their will when they grow up and strong-arm their way into political office by demeaning all who oppose them.

Someday, maybe the human species will evolve to the point where we can gain some maturity . . . but I doubt it.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:26 pm
I doubt it as well, Debra.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:32 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Relating back to the article, it is interesting that the male machoism and slamming of feminism is more akin to what's taking place in the Middle East, where women are tortured, abused, and even murdered by their own government for what is considered egregious acts against the Koran (adultery, for example). We may be a much more civilized society, but when you have a Harvard professor stating that women are below men in so many ways, that certainly doesn't help the American debate in defining what it means to be "equal" in this country.


This is why we have these discussions. I have highlighted a section of Dookie's post to outline how things get distorted and then re-used with negative connotations.

Can any of you explain to me what is wrong with what I have highlighted?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:34 pm
We could, McG, but that would be off topic. I tend to let mischaracterisations like that go unless they relate to the topic.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:37 pm
But it does address the topic of why extremists like Ducat can't be allowed to go un-challenged.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:42 pm
Perhaps you can offer us the actual quotes of what Professor Summer said regarding the inferiority of women in today's society.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 02:48 pm
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BuzzFlash: You also have a chapter called "Vaginas With Teeth and Castrating First Ladies -- Fantasies of Feminine Danger From Eve to Hillary Clinton." Clearly, she evokes something in the right that was on an atomic scale in terms of negative reaction. Is it that she represents the embracing and smothering mother, the woman who overpowers the man, who is not submissive to the man, but thinks for herself, thinks about her own future, is self-sufficient to a great degree? Do these characteristics threaten anxious masculinity to such an extent that she was like the nuclear bomb to them psychologically?

Stephen J. Ducat: Absolutely. Her being perceived as a powerful and, most troubling, a self-authorizing woman, was regarded as profoundly threatening and evoked a kind of misogynist dread and revulsion exceeding even that generated by Eleanor Roosevelt. What's interesting about this, and what makes it an example of political irrationality, is that she's not that liberal. I mean, she's pretty much a centrist, as was her husband.


Let's talk about this part. Why is the right wing so afraid of Hillary Clinton?
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 03:05 pm
FreeDuck:

Good quote. And the reasons the rightwingers ar so afraid of Hillary was succinctly pointed out in Ducat's response to BuzzFlash's last question.

Hillary is getting more popular in New York with conservatives now, and that scares the neocons even more. Why? Because she IS a centrist, just like her husband, and that would sorely undermine the neoconservative movement to demonize Hillary as anyone who closely resembles a liberal.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 03:07 pm
Why is it that most intellectuals are referred to as "extremists" by the likes of McGentrix? And this is coming from someone who cries "negative connotations..."

Laughing
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 03:09 pm
Examine this section as well.

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BuzzFlash: This really reveals so much and connects so many dots by going a couple levels deeper and trying to figure out what's going on beneath the surface. This construct of anxious masculinity triumphing over threats from feminine forces, from dominant, smothering mothers or uppity wives, seems to explain so much about what's going on with the Republican Party. But then what do you make of someone like Condoleezza Rice in positions of power?

Stephen J. Ducat: He put a woman in a position of power to implement his policies and cushion him from information that he doesn't want to know about. And you have to keep in mind, as highly placed as Condoleezza Rice is, she is his underling. She does the bidding of the core group of neo-cons.

BuzzFlash: If you're a woman, we'll let you in the club as long as you act like the guy on top?

Stephen J. Ducat: As long as you support and act like the guy on top. Of course, having Condoleezza Rice in her position doesn't translate into anything meaningful for other women. I think Condoleezza Rice's current position is evidence of how failure is no impediment to promotion in the Bush regime.

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