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The wall

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 06:56 pm
@neptuneblue,
I'm not sure that I understand. Which side of the wall is the wire on? And which side are you saying that the wire should be on?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 07:04 pm
@oralloy,
The wire is on the North side, pointing into Nogales. People can scale the wall from the other side, potentially falling onto the razor wire.

oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 07:24 pm
@neptuneblue,
I guess I don't know much about the proper use of razor wire. Is that the proper way to use it?

I assumed you'd have it pointed south. But since I don't know anything about using razor wire, perhaps I shouldn't assume.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 07:41 pm
@oralloy,
https://memebomb.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/you-are-a-winner-meme-2.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 09:47 pm
@neptuneblue,
More importantly, Trump's wall is useless, and only represents his bigotry and ignorance. Most illegal immigrants come through normal ports of entry with a tourist visa. His wall can be bypassed in many ways; it's useless, and it cost $5.7 billion to build, and more so to maintain it. Illegals coming through the southern border have been decreasing for many years, because Mexico's economy has been improving. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html Trump is just pushing his bigoted fear tactics. 101 greatest lies of Donald Trump; https://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien
tsarstepan
 
  2  
Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 11:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
If Trump Declares An Emergency To Build The Wall, Congress Can Block Him
FACT CHECK: Can Trump Use Emergency Powers To Build The Wall?
Quote:
In the mid-1970s, Congress passed a law designed to provide some check on the president's power while also preserving flexibility to act in an emergency. The National Emergencies Act requires the president to notify Congress when an emergency is declared and to list the powers that are being invoked. The law requires the administration to provide regular updates to Congress, and allows lawmakers to terminate an emergency if both House and Senate vote to do so.

National Emergencies Act
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 12:10 pm
@tsarstepan,
What are the odds that Republican senators will try to block a Republican president?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 01:43 pm
@oralloy,
At this juncture, I'd say a good 75-80%. With only being two years in, a re-election isn't going to be automatic. If it were closer to 2020, the odds would go down. But without knowing who's going to be running on the democratic ticket, PLUS any challengers within his own party, I think an override of an State of Emergency Power to build a wall is quite certain.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 01:51 pm
@neptuneblue,
We'll see.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 01:53 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

What are the odds that Republican senators will try to block a Republican president?

My point was the option did in fact constitutionally exist. Can't say how the Senate would vote. We can't say anything until Trump does enact the declaration of emergency. Until then we're speculating on speculation for speculception (TM pending)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 03:57 pm
@tsarstepan,
Quote:
If Trump Declares An Emergency To Build The Wall, Congress Can Block Him.
. Trump can win the Senate, but not the House. From cnn.com: "And even if (he) got funding, that's the easy part. The hard part is overcoming the myriad of lawsuits that would almost certainly ensue. The wall have to pass a number of federal environmental reviews -- a process that usually takes years and gets tied up in courts.
The wall would also have to be constructed through private property -- especially in Texas -- and those cases would have to be settled in court. Then there's Native American tribal land along the border. Either a deal would have to be cut with the tribes, or the wall would have to cut through a different section of Arizona instead to go around the sovereign land.
So many hurdles exist."
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 4 Mar, 2019 12:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Rand Paul Says He'll Vote Against Trump's Border Emergency, Likely Forcing A Veto
Quote:
Normally a close ally of President Trump, Paul announced that he would support a resolution to end Trump's emergency declaration to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky says he'll vote in favor of a resolution to terminate President Trump's national emergency declaration with regards to the U.S.-Mexico border. Paul's support means the resolution will likely pass the Senate with bipartisan support and could force the president to issue his first veto.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Mar, 2019 06:47 pm
@tsarstepan,
It's obvious to everybody except Trump that there is no "emergency." Trump's wall is the same delusion he had about thousands of Muslims celebrating the destruction of the twin towers in NYC. Trump believes he can declare anything, and "poof," it'll be built. He's a scary, ignorant, moron of the worst kind; he only trusts his own instincts.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2019 07:25 pm
Company offers to build 234 miles of border wall for $1.4 billion
by Anna Giaritelli
March 05, 2019 12:41 PM

A U.S. company is offering to build 234 miles of President Trump's border wall for just $1.4 billion, a fraction of the $8 billion the Trump administration is hoping to use for that project.

Fisher Sand and Gravel Company's President and CEO Tommy Fisher said the government is overpaying and that for $4.31 billion, he can build the wall and incorporate paved roads and border technology plus warranty.

"Our whole point is to break through the government bureaucracy," Fisher told the Washington Examiner. "If they do the small procurements as they are now … that’s not going to cut it."

Of the $8 billion Trump is hoping to spend, he already has $1.375 billion of that amount from Congress, which can only be used to build fencing in the Rio Grande Valley. Trump is seeking to repurpose another $3.1 billion in defense funding for more border wall and $3.6 billion more through his emergency declaration that Congress and the courts will challenge.

Fisher said that the roughly $1.4 billion is enough to build 20 miles of levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, plus another 214 miles. That pot of money, however, can only be used in the Rio Grande Valley, according to the bill Congress passed approving those funds and was only expected to be used for about 55 miles of steel slat fencing.

The Army Corps of Engineers is not ready to start looking at how to spend the $8 billion that Trump is hoping to spend on the wall, a representative told the Washington Examiner last week. The corps is considering how to spend money Congress gave DHS last fiscal year and has not requested bids from the private sector because it's still in the procurement process.

Replacement and new wall projects have struggled to get underway in Trump's first two years in office. Just 35 miles of wall have gone up in that time. The Army Corps of Engineers has procured around 75 miles but has not awarded $900 million for the project of the $1.35 billion that was in the 2018 omnibus.

DHS officials and several lawmakers are expected to visit the site of his border wall construction site in Arizona next week.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2019 08:30 pm
@neptuneblue,
We don't need any wall; we haven't had one for over 200 years. There's no emergency at the southern border. In fact, our country needs more immigrants, because our population in this country is aging, and young people are getting married at a much later date. The border wall is a racist call by Trump to stop Mexicans and South Americans from entering this country. He will never suggest we build a northern border wall.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=population+growth+in+the+us&fr=yhs-iry-fullyhosted_011&hspart=iry&hsimp=yhs-fullyhosted_011&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.seekingalpha.com%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F9%2F20%2F16243802-15059362872179024_origin.png#id=0&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.seekingalpha.com%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F9%2F20%2F16243802-15059362872179024_origin.png&action=click
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MyParentsAreProud
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 06:40 pm
@mysteryman841,
With a wall, the Democrat get the illegal votes.

This is why Democrats don't want voter ID
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 06:56 pm
@MyParentsAreProud,
At least SOUND half way intelligent.

SMDH
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 07:12 pm
@MyParentsAreProud,
How does illegals vote in this country? Please explain. Requirements to vote: You are eligible to vote in federal elections if:
You are a U.S. citizen (either by birth or naturalization)
You meet your state's residency requirements.
You are 18 year old. (Some states allow 17-year-olds to vote in primaries or register to vote if they will be 18 before the general election).
Right to Vote Resources: What are the requirements to vote in federal ...
https://resources.lawinfo.com/...vote/what-are-the-requirements-to-be-eligible-to-v.html
To register to vote, you must be:
A citizen of the United States;
A legal resident of Washington State;
At least 18 years old by Election Day;
Not disqualified from voting due to a court order; and.
Not under Department of Corrections supervision for a Washington felony conviction.
Voter Eligibility - OSOS
https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/Pages/voter_eligibility.aspx
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 07:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_impersonation_(United_States).
Quote:
Over a recent fourteen-year period, there were only thirty-one documented cases of voter impersonation.[4] There is no evidence that it has changed the result of any election.
Penalty for voter fraud in the United States.
Quote:
Critics of voter ID laws have argued that voter impersonation is illogical from the perspective of the perpetrator, as if they are caught, they will face harsh criminal penalties, including up to 5 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000 for citizens and possible deportation for non-citizens.
Voter impersonation (United States) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_impersonation_(United_States)
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 11 May, 2019 07:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is just another j t clone. Ignore him. He is just here for the attention his parents denied him.
 

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