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`OTZI' The Iceman

 
 
Badboy
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 06:53 am
There is speculation that there is a `curse' after a scientist involved with`OTZI' died.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 06:53 am
Who precisely is it that so speculates? Surely not other scientists . . .
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Badboy
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 06:56 am
Lots of people seem to speculate that there is a `curse' simply because of some whatever.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 10:32 am
ICY CURSE

Science has also been unable to explain a series of sinister accidents since the iceman was
discovered.

Forensic medic Rainer Henn, one of the first to touch the mummy, died in a car crash on his
way to a lecture about Oetzi. A mountain guide who helped with the find plunged to his death,
and a journalist who filmed the excavation died from cancer.

Last October, Helmut Simon fell to his death in the Alps after a sudden onset of bad weather
near the spot where he had discovered Oetzi.

Walter Leitner was close to the scene the night Simon died.

At the time, he was explaining his iceman theory to a team of U.S. American journalists when
they too were suddenly engulfed by the storm and had to be rescued by helicopter.

"At that moment I thought of my survival rather than the curse; of my family; my daughter's
birthday the next day, and how I would maybe not be there," Leitner said.

"The next day, when I arrived at the institute, people were saying, 'have you heard, Helmut
Simon went missing in the mountains', and that's when I started feeling a bit queasy."

The archaeologist explained Simon had been profoundly moved by his discovery, seeing it as
a religious signal to convert to Christianity.


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Perhaps the idea is to one-up the Arabs who have been claiming the Curse of King Tut's Tomb for years?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 10:41 am
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 10:46 am
The men with degenerative illness would have died whether or not the iceman were discovered. The man who had the stroke would likely have had his stroke whether or not the iceman were discovered. People who live and work in the Alps incure an occupational hazard. Every time a mountain climber or a guide falls to his death, people do not rush out and look for the cause in a curse. This is simply nonsense.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 10:48 am
Right, but obviously a good working idea not to focus all of the Italian evening news on the owner's (and at the same time Italian Prime Minister) "problems". Laughing
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 10:48 am
Ah yes, smoke screens are very useful items.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 10:54 am
Setana wrote:

Quote:
This is simply nonsense.


Easily comprehended, sensational supernatural stories sell newspapers and magazines and whatever is being advertised on television.

Simple Nonsense not only entertains, it edifies without taxing minds. After all, everyone is entitled to a point of view and fairness demands examining all sides of a question.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 11:26 am
Nevertheless, when i take my rightful place as benevolent (more of less) dictator of the world, this **** will cease.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 04:04 pm
http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3294/clipboard18na.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 04:08 pm
Quote:
size=18]Death as iceman's curse cometh[/size]

Natasha Bita and Michael McKenna
04nov05

A MUMMY's curse has cast its shadow over the death of a Brisbane scientist who worked to unlock the secrets of a 5300-year-old man frozen in the Italian Alps.

A memorial service will be held on Monday for molecular archaeologist Tom Loy, who was found dead in his home a fortnight ago as he finalised his book on the world's oldest mummy, dubbed Oetzi.
Dr Loy, 63, director of the Archaeological Sciences Laboratories at the University of Queensland's Institute for Molecular Bioscience, became the seventh person to have died after coming into close contact with the iceman since his discovery in 1991.

"He didn't believe in the curse," a colleague said yesterday. "It was just superstition. People die."

The California-born scientist had been suffering from a blood-related condition for about 12 years, according to his family, that was diagnosed shortly after he became involved with the Oetzi analysis.

His brother Gareth, in Australia to attend the memorial service, told The Australian the autopsy results were inconclusive, apart from ruling out any suspicious circumstances over the death of Dr Loy, whose body lay undiscovered in his Brisbane home for several days.

"We have been told he died of natural causes or an accident, or a combination of both," he said.

"But Tom was in poor health - he had a blood deficiency that made him subject to blood clots."

Asked when his brother had contracted the condition, Mr Loy said he believed it was "about 12 years ago", when he telephoned his brother to tell him he should be checked for the hereditary condition.

But Mr Loy said his brother, who found his first fossil as a young child - an extinct horse in land being excavated for a road near their Californian home - never mentioned the curse.

"Tom never spoke about it - all I can say is that eventually death comes for everyone," he said.

Rumours of a Tutankhamen-style curse started a year ago when the man who discovered the mummy, Helmut Simon, 67, fell to his death during a freak blizzard while hiking near the spot where he found Oetzi protruding from the ice.

Within an hour of Mr Simon's funeral, the head of the mountain rescue team sent to find him, Dieter Warnecke, 45, died of a heart attack.

Other deaths of the team involved in Oetzi's discovery and analysis are:

* Archaeologist Konrad Spindler, 55 - the leading expert on Oetzi, who first inspected the prehistoric corpse - died in April of complications from multiple sclerosis.

* The head of the forensic team examining Oetzi, Rainer Henn, 64 - who put the frozen corpse in a body bag with his bare hands - died in a car crash on the way to give a lecture about the iceman.

* The mountaineer who led Dr Henn to the iceman's body, Kurt Fritz, 52, died in an avalanche, the only one of his party to be hit by the snow-slide.

* The man who filmed Oetzi's removal from his icy mountain grave, celebrated Austrian journalist Rainer Hoelzl, 47 - died of a brain tumour. An affable and enthusiastic scientist who inspired his students, Dr Loy won worldwide renown in the archaeological community for his discovery of human blood on Oetzi the Iceman's clothing and weapons.

His work - the subject of a National Geographic documentary in 2002 - debunked the theory that Oetzi died alone in the mountains after a hunting accident.

By revealing four different types of human blood on Oetzi's clothing, he surmised that the Stone Age man was hunting with a companion when the pair got into a territorial skirmish.

Fatally wounded, Oetzi appears to have leaned against his companion for support.

One of Dr Loy's research assistants, Gail Robertson, said he was finalising work on his book about Oetzi when he died.

"Tom had been working on it for some time," she said. "It was about the tools of the iceman and his interpretation of what the tools meant and the life the hunter may have led. He was just finishing the final DNA tests, which he wanted for the book.

"Tom is such a loss - he was passionate, widely read and a born teacher."

Mr Loy said the family wanted to publish his brother's book but had, so far, been unable to locate the manuscript.

"I have his laptop, but I have not yet been able to find the file for his book," he said.

Dr Loy, an American, completed his PhD in prehistory at the Australian National University before joining the University of Queensland a decade ago.

Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 04:18 pm
Quote:
size=18]Death as iceman's curse cometh[/size]

Natasha Bita and Michael McKenna
04nov05

A MUMMY's curse has cast its shadow over the death of a Brisbane scientist who worked to unlock the secrets of a 5300-year-old man frozen in the Italian Alps.

A memorial service will be held on Monday for molecular archaeologist Tom Loy, who was found dead in his home a fortnight ago as he finalised his book on the world's oldest mummy, dubbed Oetzi.
Dr Loy, 63, director of the Archaeological Sciences Laboratories at the University of Queensland's Institute for Molecular Bioscience, became the seventh person to have died after coming into close contact with the iceman since his discovery in 1991.

"He didn't believe in the curse," a colleague said yesterday. "It was just superstition. People die."

The California-born scientist had been suffering from a blood-related condition for about 12 years, according to his family, that was diagnosed shortly after he became involved with the Oetzi analysis.

His brother Gareth, in Australia to attend the memorial service, told The Australian the autopsy results were inconclusive, apart from ruling out any suspicious circumstances over the death of Dr Loy, whose body lay undiscovered in his Brisbane home for several days.

"We have been told he died of natural causes or an accident, or a combination of both," he said.

"But Tom was in poor health - he had a blood deficiency that made him subject to blood clots."

Asked when his brother had contracted the condition, Mr Loy said he believed it was "about 12 years ago", when he telephoned his brother to tell him he should be checked for the hereditary condition.

But Mr Loy said his brother, who found his first fossil as a young child - an extinct horse in land being excavated for a road near their Californian home - never mentioned the curse.

"Tom never spoke about it - all I can say is that eventually death comes for everyone," he said.

Rumours of a Tutankhamen-style curse started a year ago when the man who discovered the mummy, Helmut Simon, 67, fell to his death during a freak blizzard while hiking near the spot where he found Oetzi protruding from the ice.

Within an hour of Mr Simon's funeral, the head of the mountain rescue team sent to find him, Dieter Warnecke, 45, died of a heart attack.

Other deaths of the team involved in Oetzi's discovery and analysis are:

* Archaeologist Konrad Spindler, 55 - the leading expert on Oetzi, who first inspected the prehistoric corpse - died in April of complications from multiple sclerosis.

* The head of the forensic team examining Oetzi, Rainer Henn, 64 - who put the frozen corpse in a body bag with his bare hands - died in a car crash on the way to give a lecture about the iceman.

* The mountaineer who led Dr Henn to the iceman's body, Kurt Fritz, 52, died in an avalanche, the only one of his party to be hit by the snow-slide.

* The man who filmed Oetzi's removal from his icy mountain grave, celebrated Austrian journalist Rainer Hoelzl, 47 - died of a brain tumour. An affable and enthusiastic scientist who inspired his students, Dr Loy won worldwide renown in the archaeological community for his discovery of human blood on Oetzi the Iceman's clothing and weapons.

His work - the subject of a National Geographic documentary in 2002 - debunked the theory that Oetzi died alone in the mountains after a hunting accident.

By revealing four different types of human blood on Oetzi's clothing, he surmised that the Stone Age man was hunting with a companion when the pair got into a territorial skirmish.

Fatally wounded, Oetzi appears to have leaned against his companion for support.

One of Dr Loy's research assistants, Gail Robertson, said he was finalising work on his book about Oetzi when he died.

"Tom had been working on it for some time," she said. "It was about the tools of the iceman and his interpretation of what the tools meant and the life the hunter may have led. He was just finishing the final DNA tests, which he wanted for the book.

"Tom is such a loss - he was passionate, widely read and a born teacher."

Mr Loy said the family wanted to publish his brother's book but had, so far, been unable to locate the manuscript.

"I have his laptop, but I have not yet been able to find the file for his book," he said.

Dr Loy, an American, completed his PhD in prehistory at the Australian National University before joining the University of Queensland a decade ago.

Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 04:24 pm
Quote:
size=18]Death as iceman's curse cometh[/size]

Natasha Bita and Michael McKenna
04nov05

A MUMMY's curse has cast its shadow over the death of a Brisbane scientist who worked to unlock the secrets of a 5300-year-old man frozen in the Italian Alps.

A memorial service will be held on Monday for molecular archaeologist Tom Loy, who was found dead in his home a fortnight ago as he finalised his book on the world's oldest mummy, dubbed Oetzi.
Dr Loy, 63, director of the Archaeological Sciences Laboratories at the University of Queensland's Institute for Molecular Bioscience, became the seventh person to have died after coming into close contact with the iceman since his discovery in 1991.

"He didn't believe in the curse," a colleague said yesterday. "It was just superstition. People die."

The California-born scientist had been suffering from a blood-related condition for about 12 years, according to his family, that was diagnosed shortly after he became involved with the Oetzi analysis.

His brother Gareth, in Australia to attend the memorial service, told The Australian the autopsy results were inconclusive, apart from ruling out any suspicious circumstances over the death of Dr Loy, whose body lay undiscovered in his Brisbane home for several days.

"We have been told he died of natural causes or an accident, or a combination of both," he said.

"But Tom was in poor health - he had a blood deficiency that made him subject to blood clots."

Asked when his brother had contracted the condition, Mr Loy said he believed it was "about 12 years ago", when he telephoned his brother to tell him he should be checked for the hereditary condition.

But Mr Loy said his brother, who found his first fossil as a young child - an extinct horse in land being excavated for a road near their Californian home - never mentioned the curse.

"Tom never spoke about it - all I can say is that eventually death comes for everyone," he said.

Rumours of a Tutankhamen-style curse started a year ago when the man who discovered the mummy, Helmut Simon, 67, fell to his death during a freak blizzard while hiking near the spot where he found Oetzi protruding from the ice.

Within an hour of Mr Simon's funeral, the head of the mountain rescue team sent to find him, Dieter Warnecke, 45, died of a heart attack.

Other deaths of the team involved in Oetzi's discovery and analysis are:

* Archaeologist Konrad Spindler, 55 - the leading expert on Oetzi, who first inspected the prehistoric corpse - died in April of complications from multiple sclerosis.

* The head of the forensic team examining Oetzi, Rainer Henn, 64 - who put the frozen corpse in a body bag with his bare hands - died in a car crash on the way to give a lecture about the iceman.

* The mountaineer who led Dr Henn to the iceman's body, Kurt Fritz, 52, died in an avalanche, the only one of his party to be hit by the snow-slide.

* The man who filmed Oetzi's removal from his icy mountain grave, celebrated Austrian journalist Rainer Hoelzl, 47 - died of a brain tumour. An affable and enthusiastic scientist who inspired his students, Dr Loy won worldwide renown in the archaeological community for his discovery of human blood on Oetzi the Iceman's clothing and weapons.

His work - the subject of a National Geographic documentary in 2002 - debunked the theory that Oetzi died alone in the mountains after a hunting accident.

By revealing four different types of human blood on Oetzi's clothing, he surmised that the Stone Age man was hunting with a companion when the pair got into a territorial skirmish.

Fatally wounded, Oetzi appears to have leaned against his companion for support.

One of Dr Loy's research assistants, Gail Robertson, said he was finalising work on his book about Oetzi when he died.

"Tom had been working on it for some time," she said. "It was about the tools of the iceman and his interpretation of what the tools meant and the life the hunter may have led. He was just finishing the final DNA tests, which he wanted for the book.

"Tom is such a loss - he was passionate, widely read and a born teacher."

Mr Loy said the family wanted to publish his brother's book but had, so far, been unable to locate the manuscript.

"I have his laptop, but I have not yet been able to find the file for his book," he said.

Dr Loy, an American, completed his PhD in prehistory at the Australian National University before joining the University of Queensland a decade ago.

Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 04:28 pm
Quote:
size=18]Death as iceman's curse cometh[/size]

Natasha Bita and Michael McKenna
04nov05

A MUMMY's curse has cast its shadow over the death of a Brisbane scientist who worked to unlock the secrets of a 5300-year-old man frozen in the Italian Alps.

A memorial service will be held on Monday for molecular archaeologist Tom Loy, who was found dead in his home a fortnight ago as he finalised his book on the world's oldest mummy, dubbed Oetzi.
Dr Loy, 63, director of the Archaeological Sciences Laboratories at the University of Queensland's Institute for Molecular Bioscience, became the seventh person to have died after coming into close contact with the iceman since his discovery in 1991.

"He didn't believe in the curse," a colleague said yesterday. "It was just superstition. People die."

The California-born scientist had been suffering from a blood-related condition for about 12 years, according to his family, that was diagnosed shortly after he became involved with the Oetzi analysis.

His brother Gareth, in Australia to attend the memorial service, told The Australian the autopsy results were inconclusive, apart from ruling out any suspicious circumstances over the death of Dr Loy, whose body lay undiscovered in his Brisbane home for several days.

"We have been told he died of natural causes or an accident, or a combination of both," he said.

"But Tom was in poor health - he had a blood deficiency that made him subject to blood clots."

Asked when his brother had contracted the condition, Mr Loy said he believed it was "about 12 years ago", when he telephoned his brother to tell him he should be checked for the hereditary condition.

But Mr Loy said his brother, who found his first fossil as a young child - an extinct horse in land being excavated for a road near their Californian home - never mentioned the curse.

"Tom never spoke about it - all I can say is that eventually death comes for everyone," he said.

Rumours of a Tutankhamen-style curse started a year ago when the man who discovered the mummy, Helmut Simon, 67, fell to his death during a freak blizzard while hiking near the spot where he found Oetzi protruding from the ice.

Within an hour of Mr Simon's funeral, the head of the mountain rescue team sent to find him, Dieter Warnecke, 45, died of a heart attack.

Other deaths of the team involved in Oetzi's discovery and analysis are:

* Archaeologist Konrad Spindler, 55 - the leading expert on Oetzi, who first inspected the prehistoric corpse - died in April of complications from multiple sclerosis.

* The head of the forensic team examining Oetzi, Rainer Henn, 64 - who put the frozen corpse in a body bag with his bare hands - died in a car crash on the way to give a lecture about the iceman.

* The mountaineer who led Dr Henn to the iceman's body, Kurt Fritz, 52, died in an avalanche, the only one of his party to be hit by the snow-slide.

* The man who filmed Oetzi's removal from his icy mountain grave, celebrated Austrian journalist Rainer Hoelzl, 47 - died of a brain tumour. An affable and enthusiastic scientist who inspired his students, Dr Loy won worldwide renown in the archaeological community for his discovery of human blood on Oetzi the Iceman's clothing and weapons.

His work - the subject of a National Geographic documentary in 2002 - debunked the theory that Oetzi died alone in the mountains after a hunting accident.

By revealing four different types of human blood on Oetzi's clothing, he surmised that the Stone Age man was hunting with a companion when the pair got into a territorial skirmish.

Fatally wounded, Oetzi appears to have leaned against his companion for support.

One of Dr Loy's research assistants, Gail Robertson, said he was finalising work on his book about Oetzi when he died.

"Tom had been working on it for some time," she said. "It was about the tools of the iceman and his interpretation of what the tools meant and the life the hunter may have led. He was just finishing the final DNA tests, which he wanted for the book.

"Tom is such a loss - he was passionate, widely read and a born teacher."

Mr Loy said the family wanted to publish his brother's book but had, so far, been unable to locate the manuscript.

"I have his laptop, but I have not yet been able to find the file for his book," he said.

Dr Loy, an American, completed his PhD in prehistory at the Australian National University before joining the University of Queensland a decade ago.

Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 04:30 pm
Quote:
Death as iceman's curse cometh

Natasha Bita and Michael McKenna
04nov05

A MUMMY's curse has cast its shadow over the death of a Brisbane scientist who worked to unlock the secrets of a 5300-year-old man frozen in the Italian Alps.

A memorial service will be held on Monday for molecular archaeologist Tom Loy, who was found dead in his home a fortnight ago as he finalised his book on the world's oldest mummy, dubbed Oetzi.
Dr Loy, 63, director of the Archaeological Sciences Laboratories at the University of Queensland's Institute for Molecular Bioscience, became the seventh person to have died after coming into close contact with the iceman since his discovery in 1991.

"He didn't believe in the curse," a colleague said yesterday. "It was just superstition. People die."

The California-born scientist had been suffering from a blood-related condition for about 12 years, according to his family, that was diagnosed shortly after he became involved with the Oetzi analysis.

His brother Gareth, in Australia to attend the memorial service, told The Australian the autopsy results were inconclusive, apart from ruling out any suspicious circumstances over the death of Dr Loy, whose body lay undiscovered in his Brisbane home for several days.

"We have been told he died of natural causes or an accident, or a combination of both," he said.

"But Tom was in poor health - he had a blood deficiency that made him subject to blood clots."

Asked when his brother had contracted the condition, Mr Loy said he believed it was "about 12 years ago", when he telephoned his brother to tell him he should be checked for the hereditary condition.

But Mr Loy said his brother, who found his first fossil as a young child - an extinct horse in land being excavated for a road near their Californian home - never mentioned the curse.

"Tom never spoke about it - all I can say is that eventually death comes for everyone," he said.

Rumours of a Tutankhamen-style curse started a year ago when the man who discovered the mummy, Helmut Simon, 67, fell to his death during a freak blizzard while hiking near the spot where he found Oetzi protruding from the ice.

Within an hour of Mr Simon's funeral, the head of the mountain rescue team sent to find him, Dieter Warnecke, 45, died of a heart attack.

Other deaths of the team involved in Oetzi's discovery and analysis are:

* Archaeologist Konrad Spindler, 55 - the leading expert on Oetzi, who first inspected the prehistoric corpse - died in April of complications from multiple sclerosis.

* The head of the forensic team examining Oetzi, Rainer Henn, 64 - who put the frozen corpse in a body bag with his bare hands - died in a car crash on the way to give a lecture about the iceman.

* The mountaineer who led Dr Henn to the iceman's body, Kurt Fritz, 52, died in an avalanche, the only one of his party to be hit by the snow-slide.

* The man who filmed Oetzi's removal from his icy mountain grave, celebrated Austrian journalist Rainer Hoelzl, 47 - died of a brain tumour. An affable and enthusiastic scientist who inspired his students, Dr Loy won worldwide renown in the archaeological community for his discovery of human blood on Oetzi the Iceman's clothing and weapons.

His work - the subject of a National Geographic documentary in 2002 - debunked the theory that Oetzi died alone in the mountains after a hunting accident.

By revealing four different types of human blood on Oetzi's clothing, he surmised that the Stone Age man was hunting with a companion when the pair got into a territorial skirmish.

Fatally wounded, Oetzi appears to have leaned against his companion for support.

One of Dr Loy's research assistants, Gail Robertson, said he was finalising work on his book about Oetzi when he died.

"Tom had been working on it for some time," she said. "It was about the tools of the iceman and his interpretation of what the tools meant and the life the hunter may have led. He was just finishing the final DNA tests, which he wanted for the book.

"Tom is such a loss - he was passionate, widely read and a born teacher."

Mr Loy said the family wanted to publish his brother's book but had, so far, been unable to locate the manuscript.

"I have his laptop, but I have not yet been able to find the file for his book," he said.

Dr Loy, an American, completed his PhD in prehistory at the Australian National University before joining the University of Queensland a decade ago.

Source
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 05:00 pm
Walter--

You've either got a 4-fold touch of the curse or a terrible keyboard stutter.

Hold your dominion.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 05:11 pm
Since the people involved in the mummy's discovery and excavation and probing died of many different things -- including long standing diseases and accidents -- I am loathe to believe in a curse.

Betcha Oetzi spoke Common Celtic and was celebrating Samhain.
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