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Jeff Gannon, Jim Guckert, and... Prostitution?

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:10 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Me:
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Republicans will try to make this issue seem as if those who are attacking the WH are anti-gay, or searching into people's private lives, or just head-hunting for excuses. But none of that is true.

Why?

Because there's no problem that Guckert is gay (though it does provide quite the irony), only that he's a prostitute, which I don't have a huge problem with but I hardly think is a suitable background for access to the WH or questioning our CIC, thanks very much.


McGentrix wrote:
It's interesting how homophobic the left really is. All those consternations about conservatives being homophobic when discussing homosexual marriage is merely a smoke screen apparently.

Verrrrry interesting...


That didn't take long. Take your failed attempt at defending this guy elsewhere; noone on the left here is charging that the guy shouldn't have been let in b/c he's gay. Sheesh!

Cycloptichorn


For the record, your prediction that conservative posters will identify the failings of the left in no way invalidates the legitimacy of the point of the conservatives in that regard.

There seems to be an awful lot of noise being made on the left side of this BB because he's "gay." You delude yourself if you think the critical anaysis of the left has been focused on the "prostitute" issue, and not the "gay" issue. Here's a selection from your fellow lefties taken from this thread alone on the "gayness" of G/G:

PDiddie wrote:
I didn't see "gay male escorts" mentioned in there anywhere.

Because, see, it's not about that.

blatham wrote:
The journalism vs planted shill issue is the important issue. But the Gannon as gay prostitute issue is going to be resonant because...
1) discrediting an individual for sexuality is not in the least unusual in American political strategy (eg Ken Starr) and
2) the White House/modern Republican campaign to divide through the gay issue.

joefromchicago wrote:
I couldn't possibly agree more. Well and succinctly put, blatham.

Dookie wrote:
Jeff Gannon has now decided not to interview with any news organizations. If he has nothing to hide, then why run away like a coward and not address all of these allegations?

And his sexuality is AMAZINGLY important, as this idiot "conservative" has spewed Limbaugh's talking points at these White House press conferences, condemned the gay lifestyle, and yet poses nude himself in order to solicit sex
.

And people like Ticomaya think it's not important?

God damn that's hysterical!!

parados wrote:
Lets discuss whether any "gay escort" services actually provided non sexual escorts for the Black Tie and Boot Ball.

Dookie wrote:
Apparently, Presidential BJ's are a big deal with neoconservatives (what with national security and blackmail and all), but fake, gay, pornographic journalists who get to ask softball questions are no big deal whatsoever.

Dookie, quoting Sidney Blumenthal, wrote:
Lifting the heavy Puritan curtain draping Bush's Washington reveals enlightening scenes of its decadent anthropology. Even as Guckert's true colors were revealed, the administration issued orders that the words "gay," "lesbian," "bisexual" and "transgender" be removed from the program of a federally funded conference on suicide prevention. But the transparent hypocrisy of conservative "values" hardly deters a ruthless government.

Lola wrote:
Maybe someone in the WH has a taste for an escort-like man who" poses nude, boasts of being exclusively "top only," and tells you that he's looking for a 'good time?


Not to mention all the other references to "gay hooker," "gay prostitute," and "gay escort."

But, to quote PDiddie, "it's not about that" right?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:11 am
squinney

I think we might have a perspective oddness here. I didn't watch the Daschle/Thune events very closely, but I'd guess that Talon/Gallon were only one of very many attack sources coming in at the Daschle campaign. And I'm pretty sure that the blogging community (even just the 'left' side of it) now constitutes much greater investigative manpower than Daschle had at his disposal then.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:21 am
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There seems to be an awful lot of noise being made on the left side of this BB because he's "gay."


It's not about him being gay.....it's about the hypocricy of the WH. But you just keep repeating that it's about that other thing and pretty soon, it will be true.......wagging the doggy.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:22 am
No, it's not about that. But that part adds quite an irony...

We're not afraid of calling someone gay who is gay. Our stating that he's a gay prostitute isn't an attack on his sexuality, but his profession. It seems to me that conservatives are the ones who have a problem with gays, IIRC.

Also, given his several anti-gay articles he wrote, it highlights the hypocrisy both of him and the Admin. that let him in the WH to be a ringer. That is why you see it brought up so often; how did such an anti-gay admin allow this to happen? Many Fundamentalists are mightly pissed about this issue.

As I accurately predicted earlier, it is a straw-man attack by those who otherwise cannot defend their side. I don't blame you; I wouldn't want to defend this douchebag either.

Cycloptichorn
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:26 am
ok ok I got it Gannon is Saddam's WoMD, in a dasdardly evil plot to undermine the Bush admin (revenge can be sweet) Gannon was smuggled out of Iraq during the first days of smart bombing in a convoy of trucks going to Syria. He was furtively flown via Paris aboard the Concorde and alit in Crawford Texas where he stashed his turbo towel and got a new pair of dockers (with Tucker Carlson suspenders) he spenty the next few days hanging with the boys and girls at the Crawford Mall where he picked up his journalism degree and 3 packs of Kents (he saves the coupons) the Bush twins found him on the husbands sofa outside the Victorias Secrets store (where he spend his last few rubles) and some guy named Scott said "I like this guy, he's a manly man who's not afraid to show is feminine side" Well that cinched it, Jeff/Jim was on his way, no longer in the minors of the softball league, he headed out to eastern skies with oiled down hair and a ticket to paradise. He went nuklur, had his tubes tied. Saddam was proud when he announced "allah is god and I have a born-again son" Powell showed 8 x 10 glossies of the re-birth while Connie played Für Elise at the beer garden. And that's how Jeff/Jim got his press pass.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:35 am
sounds likely to me
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:40 am
Lola wrote:
sounds likely to me

Well yeah but your easy.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:44 am
I'm easy, but you're not..........

I am easy though. How could you tell? It's the legs, isn't it? Legs legs............ It's always the legs.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:49 am
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Many Fundamentalists are mightly pissed about this issue.


Cyclo,

Do you have a reference for this? I'd like to follow it up. Thanks.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:50 am
well no Lola it was never the legs. Actually it was the tattoo that did me in. I amy not be easy but I am cheap. (you, on the other hand)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:54 am
I always look for a girl with a tattoo.

It's a sign she's willing to do something she may regret later Smile

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:56 am
Lola wrote:
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There seems to be an awful lot of noise being made on the left side of this BB because he's "gay."


It's not about him being gay.....it's about the hypocricy of the WH. But you just keep repeating that it's about that other thing and pretty soon, it will be true.......wagging the doggy.


What hypocricy? When did the WH say gay people were evil and banned from the WH?

Oh, you mean when they said gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry? You are taking that and have decided that means the WH should ban all gay people from the WH, and unless they do, it's hypocrisy?

Cyclops wrote:
We're not afraid of calling someone gay who is gay. Our stating that he's a gay prostitute isn't an attack on his sexuality, but his profession. It seems to me that conservatives are the ones who have a problem with gays, IIRC.

It's disingenuous to say that by repeatedly calling him a "gay prostitute" you are just "not afraid of calling someone gay who is gay" -- not focused on his sexuality, but only that they are a prostitute. That would be like me calling Michael Jordan a "black athlete." Yes he is "black" and he's an "athlete," but my calling him a "black athlete" is focusing on his "blackness" ... his race. If he showed up at a WH press briefing, I might be rightly justified in questioning why an "athlete" was allowed to attend a WH press briefing, but if I questioned why a "black athlete" was permitted to attend, I suspect I'd rightfully be accused of focusing on his racial background, and not his profession, don't you think? How might my protestation of, "Well, he IS black" come across?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 11:02 am
If MJ was sneaking into a KKK rally, your analogy might be a little better.

Not really though.

It's really amazing how you conservatives parrot talking points back and forth when there's no substance to your argument.

Try this:

http://www.americablog.org

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Far right blows a gasket over Gannon
by John in DC - 2/18/2005 11:02:00 AM

Two weeks of silence from the far right has finally exploded like Vesuvius. This comes from CNS, the Cybercast News Service - basically, another pro-far-right "media" outlet:

Make no mistake, Jeff Gannon, or James Guckert, or whatever his name is, is no conservative. Anybody who publishes sexually explicit photos of himself on a website in hopes of making money as a hooker is no conservative. Not in this lifetime. Not on this planet. The person in those photos is a pig and a pervert.

But Gannon did rile up the Left, and it's because they felt betrayed, certain that the only reliable, no-questions-asked, no-strings-attached home for such individuals is in the liberal wing of the establishment media or Democratic Party.

The Left wants this controversy to be about a Republican White House letting in a ringer to ask questions and get access to sensitive information so he could write up favorable stories on the Talon News website. But if Jeff Gannon was a heterosexual, I suspect his questions for the president would have drawn scant attention. He wouldn't have made many friends in the White House press room, but almost nobody would have cared.

Homosexuality, at its core, is about narcissism and self-loathing. But the Left is demonstrating another of its common characteristics in the Gannon flap - denial. They want the world to believe that exposing Gannon's journalistic bona fides, or lack thereof, is their ethical responsibility.

But don't be fooled. The Jeff Gannon controversy is about sex and turning the political tables on Left Wing ideologues he should have known would seek revenge and personal destruction. It's nothing more than that.


Yeah, because obviously CNS has true love in its heart for Jeff.

It's really not worth responding to a "defense" of Gannon that also calls him a "pig and a pervert." Even we horrible leftwing bloggers didn't go that far. But I will say one thing. No one knew he was gay. David Brock launched this story out of concern over Gannon being a fake journalist. We didn't have a clue he was gay - not a bit of my gaydar went off when I saw him on TV. So spare us the "were he heterosexual it wouldn't be an issue" crap. Were Gannon a heterosexual hooker the mainstream media would have reported on this days ago. And were Gannon a heterosexual hooker in the Clinton White House, CNS would have been the first media outlet to report on it. So spare me.

Finally, this article should send a message to Gannon and other closeted Republicans. You're working for and with people who hate you. We might be pissed because you're selling yourself out. They're pissed because they loathe who you are. Big difference.


You see? You're not the first person to try this lame duck attack. But it fails, because the original investigation into Guckert came b/c of his incredibly biased question at a news conference, before anyone even knew he was gay.

That's right, noone knew he was gay when they started looking into this. So stuff it, and come up with a better defense, or admit that there IS no defense for this clown.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 11:22 am
Cyclops wrote:
If MJ was sneaking into a KKK rally, your analogy might be a little better.


No, it wouldn't. But I find it bizzare that you think it would.

Cyclops wrote:
You see? You're not the first person to try this lame duck attack.


I find it interesting that you apparently believe the fact that you think someone else has said what I've said somehow invalidates my point. It's sorta like how you think that if you write, "watch the conservatives now come and try and defend this and say _______", that your preemptive effort to counter our argument will have some effect.

Cyclops wrote:
But it fails, because the original investigation into Guckert came b/c of his incredibly biased question at a news conference, before anyone even knew he was gay.


Again, and I hope this to be the last time I will need to state this, if the focus of you lefties was that he was a "fake" journalist, fine. Make your case. But you expanded it when it was discovered that he is gay. Now your focus is that he's gay (I should say it's the focus of many, not all), and not that he's a "fake" journalist. I think this is true because the "fake journalist" story just didn't have any legs, and you weren't getting enough mileage out of it.

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So stuff it, and come up with a better defense.


Quoting Mother Teresa again? (Teresa Heinz-no longer Kerry, that is....)
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 11:26 am
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I think this is true because the "fake journalist" story just didn't have any legs
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really? and the issue of whitehouse "security" is probably not an issue either.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 11:31 am
dyslexia wrote:
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I think this is true because the "fake journalist" story just didn't have any legs
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really? and the issue of whitehouse "security" is probably not an issue either.


Not with me. What's the concern there?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 11:31 am
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Again, and I hope this to be the last time I will need to state this, if the focus of you lefties was that he was a "fake" journalist, fine. Make your case. But you expanded it when it was discovered that he is gay. Now your focus is that he's gay (I should say it's the focus of many, not all), and not that he's a "fake" journalist. I think this is true because the "fake journalist" story just didn't have any legs, and you weren't getting enough mileage out of it.


That's bull. THere's a huge story here regardless of the sexuality of the guy.

I'll break it down for you so you can understand. We have an:

-Ex-hooker (sexuality doesn't matter)
-Who is let into the WH under a fake name
-asking softball questions of Mclellan, Fleischer, and Bush himself
-For almost two years
-Who was denied a press pass on capitol hill
-But was given a 'soft' pass daily in the WH,
Before Talon News came online (significantly before - how did he get in?)
-Who had access to secret internal CIA documents relating to the Valerie Plame case
-Who had a lot to do with the campaign to discredit Daschle on Thune's behalf
-Who apparently was one of the first to talk about the Dan Rather memo issueto Sean Hannity, Rush, etc., per his comments on Freeperville.

There are many, many angles to look at this story from. The fact that Guckert/Gannon is gay pales when compared to the fact that he was using an alias to get into the WH and recieving classified documents.

So take your straw man elsewhere, it's not going to work here...

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 11:38 am
just keep saying it Tico. The true-ness factor is edging up everytime you repeat yourself.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 11:43 am
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well no Lola it was never the legs. Actually it was the tattoo that did me in. I amy not be easy but I am cheap. (you, on the other hand)


If I weren't so happy to admit it, you would have a point, dyslexia, old friend. But the tatoo.......you must be thinking of some other woman. Now if you want to mention the face lift.........
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 11:51 am
oh yeah, well, never mind.(oh, and tattoo you)
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