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Jeff Gannon, Jim Guckert, and... Prostitution?

 
 
Dookiestix
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 04:42 pm
How about Gannon's questions regarding what Bush did AFTER he left the National Guard?

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Jeff Gannon:

Since there have been so many questions concerning what the pResident was doing over 30 years ago, what is it that he did after his honorable discharge from the National Guard?

Did he make statements, alongside Jane Fonda, demouncing America's racist war in Vietnam?

No, he didn't. Neither did John Kerry. Somebody Photoshopped him standing alongside Jane Fonda:

http://members.optushome.com.au/hark/fonda_fake.jpg

http://media.gn.apc.org/fl/0404fake.html

Did he testify before Congress that American troops committed atrocities while in Vietnam?

No, he didn't. But John Kerry did. And it was because American troops HAD committed atrocities, and he was conveying what other troops had been telling him already.

http://www.goingupriver.com/learn_more_dewey_time.html


Did he throw somebody else's medals at the White House to protest a war America was still fighting?

No, he didn't. But John Kerry did. And there were THOUSANDS of other Americans protesting that war. And for good a pretty damned good reason.


As we all know Bush was a drunk throughout his years following the National Guard (at least until he turned 40, so we're told). At least Kerry exercised his constitutional right and intellectualism to address the Vietnam war, a war in which America has completely forgotten it would seem, as we have utterly failed to learn from our mistakes of the past. What's amazing is that Bush showed no intellectual curiousity whatsoever in the ramifications of the Vietnam war, and so it isn't any wonder that the most uncurious and simplistic pResident in modern American history wouldn't understand the depth and breadth of the Vietnam war.

And so, this is all why Jeff Gannon/James Guckert is no journalist whatsoever. This is why he so stupidly exposed himself for all the world to see by asking such ridiculously biased, propogandist questions to the Bush administration. In the video montage of his idiocy, you can hear other journalists laughing in the background, because they knew how stupid and revealing Jeff was.

Besides, whoever heard of a "legitimate" journalist pulling all of their work off the internet and hiring a bunch of lawyers?

Perhaps some lawyers should look into his prostitution solicitations online and question whether that was legal or not.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 07:44 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Obviously, you are wrong because he did. He obviously met whatever credentials they needed and was admitted into various press conferences. Why is this so hard to understand?


Lol, why is it so hard for you to understand that he was let in for other reasons than normal reporters? And that explains very nicely why he didn't have to go through the same proccesses as other reporters that are in the WH. But, you don't think that's a possibility at all.

Why is it that you wouldn't believe they'd let the guy in to be a shill? You know, for a fact, that the admin pays people to promote propaganda. What makes you think they wouldn't do something like this?

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Why do yoou insist on this charade that someone in the whitehouse must have snuck him in or that he was a plant?


Hmm, let's see, a huge body of evidence leads to this conclusion.

Fact: There is not a single reporter that is let into the WH on a regular basis that gets in on a daily pass, instead of a hard pass, like Gannon. Not one. There are many reports of websites being turned down for day passes as well, so it's not as if they just hand the damn things out to whoever.

Fact: There is not a single reporter in the WH press room that uses a fake name other than Gannon. His claim about changing his name b/c 'Guckert is hard to pronounce' is bullsh*t; why did he assume a first name as well?

Fact: There is not a single reporter let into the WH on a regular basis who isn't first cleared for a Capitol Hill press pass, other than Gannon. G/G actually applied for a press pass under his real name, was denied, and then took up a psuedonym to get into the WH.

Fact: There is not a single reporter other than Gannon in the WH press room who didn't have a single written article before working there.

Fact: There is not a single reporter other than Gannon in the WH press room that doesn't work for a news organization of some kind; and we're talking about news, not partisan websites like GOPUSA. They certainly don't let reporters from MediaMatters or Moveon.org in.

Fact: There is not a single reporter other than Gannon in the WH press room who comes on a regular basis, yet isn't given a regular pass.

Fact: There is not a single reporter other than Gannon in the WH press room who consistently asked such slanted questions towards the administration. There is a clear pattern of McLellan calling on G/G when he got into trouble with other questions.

Fact: Gannon owns, ran, and operated prostitution web sites. This isn't a supposition. It is a clear violation of US law. This should have easily been caught by the SS, and you are claiming it wasn't? It's important to note that these sites were bought by Gannon, produced for him by a web designer, filled with pictures of HIM and testimonies about his prowess, and still active and running up until a month ago. This wasn't Gannon's past we're talking about, it was his present.

Fact: Gannon has taken all of his articles offline. Why do this? Your 'saving bandwidth' excuse is laughable. It's quite obvious that he was trying to hide something. There is no other explanation for why they would remove his articles from 3 different websites...

That's a lot of facts that all point in the direction of someone on the inside letting this guy in. Now, there are a lot more leads (Plame Memo, Dan Rather case, Thune-Daschle angle) that have yet to be ran down. But they will.

Cycloptichorn


Fact: You cannot support the list of fabrications, er "facts" that you have listed here. They are not "facts", they are "could be's" at best.

At best, you can have a conspiracy. Perhaps you can join those that believe the war was strictly for oil, or perhaps those that believe the CIA killed Kennedy.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 08:34 pm
Perhaps you can try to respond with actual arguments instead of hollow derision.

It should be a relatively simple matter for you to prove me wrong, given what you've said. If you're not going to do so, then there's no point in talking, is there?

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 08:41 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
You're the last person who should ever accuse someone else of patronization, McG, seriously.

Let's see... if you had actually gone to Gannon's website, you'd see that there are NO archives of his former stories on there. None. Why is that, if he is so proud of having wrote them? You honestly think his stories were removed from the Web to save bandwidth? On text??!!?!? That's an idiotic answer.

You claim that b/c people get on-the-job training, that's a justification for letting someone who isn't a journalist into the WH. This is perhaps the worst analogy in the history of analogies, as the WH isn't a junior beat or some joe job that any idiot can do; it's a difficult assignment to land. Gannon had no experience. A better analogy would be you claiming to have been made a Sous Chef your first day on the job, which we all know doesn't happen - without help.

As for your refusal to go to Salon, don't even bother; just google 'Thune gannon' and you'll find plenty of articles. Though I'm sure you won't read them either, as if it isn't blatantly republican, it isn't a source, to you guys.

I asked the question, what is the connection between Eberle and Rove? A question, mind you. You claimed that there WAS no connection. YOU are the one who claimed to know that there was NO connection between the two: feel free to show how you knew this, rather than attack me for asking a question about a POSSIBLE connection.

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I have no issue with him being a liar.


Given your political affiliation, this is hardly surprising.

Cycloptichorn


Hmmmm... last time I tried conversing intelligently with you I received this answer.

You don't want intelligent conversation, you want agreement. I am not here to offer agreement.

So, I will simply comtinue with the short answers and see if you can ever justify any of the accusations, heresay, innuendo or just plain lies that keep getting passed around like yesterdays roach.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 08:51 pm
Fine with me. Not a single one of the issues I've brought up has been satisfactorily examined. Many of these issues should in fact be quite transparent, and are not. Only time and more investigation will tell the truth.

But, as for this

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A better analogy would be you claiming to have been made a Sous Chef your first day on the job, which we all know doesn't happen - without help.


It's not my fault you don't like being called out when you use terrible metaphors. But the 'pizza boy' comment of yours was truly ridiculous, as was this classic:

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I have no issue with him being a liar.


That one may make my sig...

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 09:04 pm
Well, you have called him incompetent, yet blame him for Daschle's loss.

You say he does not fit the criteria to be allowed into the whitehouse press room, yet you have no evidence of what the criteria is.

You say he runs a gay webpage as a prostitute, yet no evidence of him performing any gay acts, or prostitution.

You say there is not a single reporter in the press room with an alias, yet you have nothing to support that.

You say there is not a single reporter that uses daily press passes, yet you back that up with no evidence.

Your allegations and lack of evidence is both tiresome and boring. This is a witch hunt. Plain and simple. The left has found their witch and has already built the stake and gathered the wood. But, instead of looking at the issue objectively with the idea that there may be more to the story than what Maureen Dowd tells you, you pitch in your 2 cents for the gasoline.

Hope you brought some marshmellows.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 09:05 pm
This has been your poorest hour McGentrix. I've always expected and gotten good argumentation from you, occasionally sprinkled with forthright admissions of error if one was needed, but to this exchange you brought nothing but obstinate petulance. A most unworthy effort.

Joe(have you got the flu?) Nation
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 09:21 pm
Predictably, you either mis-represent or just plain mis-understand everything I've said.

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Well, you have called him incompetent, yet blame him for Daschle's loss.


If you read closer, I have said he was involved with the smear job on Daschle. Did I blame him for Daschle's loss, as you've said? No. But G/G himself takes credit for it - on his own site: www.jeffgannon.com. Look at the bottom, the line that says this:

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2:37
RAWSTORY reports that Senate Minority Leader Harry 'Soup Lines" Reid will join in the investigation of me. He should be thanking me since I helped get him his promotion.


I never said he was 'incompetent.' My personal opinion of his stories has never been the issue here; as he was admitted before the stories were written.

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You say he does not fit the criteria to be allowed into the whitehouse press room, yet you have no evidence of what the criteria is.


I contend that criteria DO exist, and that by ANY criteria designed to let journalists in and keep non-journalists out, he would not have been allowed in!! You see, while the WH won't talk about what it's criteria for admittance is, and why G/G got in for two years without a hard pass, we can't find this information out. But there's plenty of information about how G/G hadn't written any stories, hadn't attended journalism school, hadn't worked for a NEWS AGENCY. Let me ask you, what qualified him to be there, if there are in fact any factors at all which allow some to enter and others to leave?

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You say he runs a gay webpage as a prostitute, yet no evidence of him performing any gay acts, or prostitution.


Hey, he ran the sites. Either he is putting up a giant con job, and paid some guy to develop con websites, with pictures of himself (face, body and all), blatantly sexual descriptions, and testimonials about himself over 2 YEARS ago, or he's been running an actual prostitution site. Which do you think is more likely? That he runs a bunch of fake sites, which he pays for and recieves nothing back from, with many naked pictures of himself, or that he actually was profiting from this?

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You say there is not a single reporter in the press room with an alias, yet you have nothing to support that.


Well, I suppose there could be one that I didn't know about, you're right. I retract. But I would bet anything that you couldn't find one.

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You say there is not a single reporter that uses daily press passes, yet you back that up with no evidence.


Did I ever say that there wasn't a single reporter that uses daily press passes? No! I said that there was noone else who used them for two years. And I stand by that statement. There are many people, mind you, who have been looking into this very issue, and to the best of my knowledge noone else has even come close the the level of this joker for using daily passes to come into the WH. Much of the research is done by watching and listening to tape of the briefings....

The evidence that this is not the norm, is the system itself. Duh! Why have a system of hard passes and soft passes, if people can get in whenever they want on soft passes?

Why do extremely long (months) security checks on some reporters who come every day, but not others? Especially others who have a sordid, potentially illegal background? It doesn't make any sense at all.

If that's an error by the SS, fine, come out and say so. That would have been easy enough. But that hasn't happened, so

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Your allegations and lack of evidence is both tiresome and boring. This is a witch hunt. Plain and simple. The left has found their witch and has already built the stake and gathered the wood. But, instead of looking at the issue objectively with the idea that there may be more to the story than what Maureen Dowd tells you, you pitch in your 2 cents for the gasoline.


I had been reading about this story for about a week before Maureen Dowd even wrote about it. This is an extremely lame paragraph. This isn't about hunting a witch, don't you see? Gannon's already out of the press room. He's already had to pull all his articles offline. It's about people waking up to the level of propaganda that this gov't is using to control public opinion.

Let me ask you again, given Armstrong Williams et al, why are you so skeptical that someone who shouldn't be let in, would be let in? For free, no less, good for the semi-Fascit on a budget Smile

Cycloptichorn

Hope you brought some marshmellows.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 09:50 pm
WH Press passes
Several good articles by Editor& Publisher on Gannon/Guckert
including a lot of good information on requirements for WH hard passes. (It requires a Congressional news pass which Guckert admits he was denied several times.) There are articles online detailing why Guckert was refused a Congressional pass. 3 reasons. 1.) Talon was not a valid news source that had income from subscribers or ads. 2.) A reporter isn't really a reporter if he is not paid a salary but is only paid a stipend. 3.) Talon News seemed to be partisan in nature so violated the lobbying rule

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000799182

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000800651

http://editorandpublisher.com/eandp/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000818837

Several others if you search their site.

The interesting point is when Guckert in an interview states he is not married and has no kids. I am curiuos what "family" he is trying to protect.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2005 10:26 pm
In the first article (all very interesting, btw),
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Guckert claimed that his family began being harassed a week ago. Asked how this was possible, when his real name didn't even surface until late Monday, he held to the view that "it was out there a week ago, and that is when it started. My mother and my brother and his wife in Pennsylvania were being harassed with phone calls and threats."


I don't think you need to be married with children to have family you'd like to protect.

From the third article

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Published: February 28, 2005 4:30 PM ET

NEW YORK The White House Correspondents Association announced Monday that it would not seek changes to the White House press-credentialing process, despite complaints from several members that controversial former reporter James Guckert had been able to gain the same access as any other reporter for two years.

Ron Hutcheson, WHCA president and a Knight Ridder White House correspondent, said the decision occurred during Monday's meeting of the WHCA board. It was the first such meeting of the board since Guckert, who uses the name Jeff Gannon, drew attention with his partisan questions and questionable past.

"The board felt like none of us were happy about Gannon being in the briefing room, but we all view it as the price we pay for a system that favors inclusion over keeping someone out," Hutcheson told E&P. "While not perfect, [the current system] is geared toward letting people in."


Interesting processes. Great links, parados.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 06:57 am
So, when do we all show up for a day pass? People need to set up web news sites and start attempting to get day passes to document that it isn't all that open and easy.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 07:52 am
Very interesting:

Source


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Ok, this takes some balls in the middle of GannonGuckertGate. But MESSAGE TO MAINSTREAM MEDIA, Jeff Gannon being a hooker and working in the West Wing, while the White House STILL hasn't condemned him or even spoken out about him, is NOT an even more interesting story in light of the fact that the Bush administration is now publicly taking on hookers. No, no hypocrisy there, nothing to see, move right along.

Or is this the White House's response to Gannon to placate the religious right? I.e., take a swipe at foreign hookers?

From the Kaiser Foundation:

Bush Administration To Require U.S. AIDS Groups Take Pledge Opposing Commercial Sex Work To Gain Funding
[Feb 28, 2005]

The Bush administration is requiring that U.S. HIV/AIDS organizations seeking funding to provide services in other countries make a pledge opposing commercial sex work, and some Republican lawmakers and administration officials are pushing for a similar policy for needle-exchange programs, the Wall Street Journal reports. Under the new policy, even groups whose HIV/AIDS work in other countries has "nothing to do" with commercial sex workers will have to make a written pledge opposing commercial sex work or risk losing federal funding, according to the Journal. In addition, the Bush administration might refuse to fund HIV/AIDS groups that do not accept Bush's "social agenda" on issues such as sexual abstinence and drug use, according to the Journal. The new policy stems from two 2003 laws, one involving HIV/AIDS funding and another regarding sex trafficking (Phillips, Wall Street Journal, 2/28). One measure was included as an amendment, sponsored by Rep. Christopher Smith (R-N.J.), in the legislation (HR 1298) that authorized the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, the five-year, $15 billion program that directs funding for HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria to 15 focus countries. The measure prohibits funds from going to any group or organization that does not have a policy "explicitly opposing prostitution and sex trafficking" (Kaiser Daily HIV/AIDS Report, 4/3/03). The U.S. Department of Justice initially told the administration that the requirement should be applied to overseas groups only because of constitutional free speech concerns in applying it to U.S. organizations, according to the Journal. However, DOJ in 2004 "reversed itself" and said that the administration could apply the rule to U.S. groups, according to the Journal.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 08:26 am
Cyc, I don't have answers for you, but one thing I know A LOT about is corporate mentality and beaurocracy. I have consulted in this field and have A LOT of experience dealing with the inside politics and workings of large corporations. The government works the same exact way.

All too often, the right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing. Meetings abound, but nothing much more than an agenda for the next meeting gets done.

You seem to think that the government is capable of pulling off these huge conspiracies. Things like the payment by various cabinet members to journalists for touting their agenda, or secreting in someone like Gannon for some nefarious reason, or that the administration actually has time to sit around and plan these little, insignificant events.

Each of these events are independant of each other. That's how these conspiracy theories start. They take independant events and string them together until they have what they want and say "Look! It's a conspiracy!"

Is it possible that Gannon was just a charming guy, who as a dedicated party member decided that the press was against the administration (not exactly a unique perspective) and that he should get himself involved. It's amazing what a motivated individual can do. He got a job with GOPUSA, got into the Whitehouse and added his voice to the usual cacophony of reporters.

Is that really so hard to believe? Isn't that easier to believe than this line of BS that someone planted him or that he is somehow connected to the administration through Rove's second cousin who dated Eberls daughter?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 08:41 am
McG, don't you think that after, say, six months of seeing the same guy come in and get the same day pass that someone would have thrown a flag? Especially once he was rejected for the Senate pass? I'll grant you that the right hand doesn't always know what the left hand is doing, but this wasn't a one time deal. This is not a huge conspiracy. Somebody just had to make some phone calls. He was a political operative and he should not have been allowed to pose as an independent journalist.

The current administration has made a practice of manipulating public opinion by cloaking their partisan political messages as news stories. Remeber the big deal about the advertisements that were filmed to look like news reports? The paid media advocates? It's pattern and practice for them.

All administrations attempt to get their messages out through the media and engage in some manipulation to do so. But what's happening here is a concerted effort to circumvent independent media outlets and to create an echo chamber that lends a false credibility to stories that might have never passed the vetting process.

Talon news was not a legitimate news source, according to those who investigate for purposes of issuing Congressional press passes. Allowing G/G into the WH briefing room gave it otherwise undeserved credibility. Would Fox and other valid news outlets ever have used Talon as a source otherwise?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 08:47 am
squinney wrote:
So, when do we all show up for a day pass? People need to set up web news sites and start attempting to get day passes to document that it isn't all that open and easy.


Please go. Just stop saying you think you ought to go -- what is this, the 3rd time now? -- and just go give it a shot. Then come back and report your findings. Please ... I'm begging you.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 08:50 am
Pardos posted some articles on the previous page. They are very interesting indeed. Let me post some quotes from them relating to Cyc's continued questions.

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On presidential press conferences

Guckert first attended a presidential press conference in April 2003, he said, just weeks after starting with Talon News. He also attended another, for which he cannot recall the date, prior to the late-January conference that brought him to public attention. "I was also once at a Rose Garden briefing after the announcement of the interim government in Iraq," he said. "It was impromptu. I thought [Bush] had pointed at me, but he was really pointing at someone else. But I shouted out a question, and he answered it."


Ok, so that answers the question regarding when he started and what credentials he used. Cyc has repeatedly said he got into the WH press briefings before Talon. We now know that to be false.

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On how he got access to daily White House briefings

Gannon said he began attending White House press briefings in March 2003, very shortly after he joined Talon News, which is run by a Republican activist.

"I requested clearance each day via an e-mail to the White House Press office the night before. I gave them my professional name, my legal name, my social security number, my address and phone number, and the news service where I worked," he said. "I assumed that there was some kind of cursory check that they do, but did not know what. They never asked me for more information." He said he usually went to press briefings there "at least once a week," or more.


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Currently, two types of press passes are issued. The "hard pass," which allows reporters regular ongoing access to the White House, and "day passes," which must be issued each morning and are good only for one day. Hard passes are more difficult to obtain, requiring the reporter to first obtain a Capitol Hill credential, issued by a committee of congressional reporters known as the Standing Committee of Correspondents.

Day passes appear to be available to any reporter who provides his or her name, address, and social security number and the name of his or her news organization, and can pass a basic security check.

Guckert had been denied a congressional press pass last year after the Standing Committee determined that Talon News was not a legitimate news organization. But he was still able to obtain daily White House press passes by applying each day.


Ok, so there is the answer as to how he got into the press conferences. He asked for a day pass. Cyc seems to think there is a magic list of things a person needs to have to get in. All you need is a name, an address, a social security number, a news organization, and an ID.

No conspiracy yet.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 08:53 am
Jeff/Jim has stated that this entire bruhaha is only because he is an avowed christain, it's his story and he's sticking with it. I applaud Jeff/Jim for his convictions.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 08:58 am
I've been inside the White House. I've been inside the Oval Office. I know it isn't easy to get in. The only reason my family did get in was due to some calls and some string pulling from our representative at the time. Even so, we still went through extensive checks, and all of this was pre 9/11.

Who made the calls for Guckert? What was being pulled?

Keep in mind, we weren't spreading propoganda or using faking names.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 08:59 am
squinney wrote:
I've been inside the White House. I've been inside the Oval Office. I know it isn't easy to get in. The only reason my family did get in was due to some calls and some string pulling from our representative at the time. Even so, we still went through extensive checks, and all of this was pre 9/11.

Who made the calls for Guckert? What was being pulled?

Keep in mind, we weren't spreading propoganda or using faking names.


Were you a journalist requesting a day pass?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 09:05 am
McGentrix wrote:
Ok, so that answers the question regarding when he started and what credentials he used. Cyc has repeatedly said he got into the WH press briefings before Talon. We now know that to be false.


Not exactly. That answers the question of when his first PRESIDENTIAL press conference was. There are press briefings that happen without the president. As your own post indicates...

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Gannon said he began attending White House press briefings in March 2003, very shortly after he joined Talon News, which is run by a Republican activist.


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000818837

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Guckert, 47, had obtained regular access to the White House briefings since February 2003, first as a representative of GOPUSA.com, a right-wing Web site with ties to the Texas Republican Party, then as a reporter for Talon News, a GOPUSA.com offshoot.


So Cyc's assertion that he got in before Talon is clearly not false, but is supported by at least one source. And at the time he got in he was working for an organisation that was neither a news agency nor independent.
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