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Jeff Gannon, Jim Guckert, and... Prostitution?

 
 
Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:09 pm
Oh, and McGentrix, if Gannon was trying to "better" his life, then why did he keep those sites up and running this whole time?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:16 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
How dare he try and make a buck or two ....


a buck or two? one or two?.........you have got to be kidding me. Surely you're not that poorly informed.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:16 pm
If it's not an issue, why do you keep bringing it up? It's like you can't bear for anyone to forget it. I do not really believe that it's a "neo-con" issue as I have yet to see any of the conservatives on A2K do anything more than point to the continued homophobia being perpetrated by the supposed "saviors" of America.

Dookie, I really don't feel comfortable having you lecture me on the lack of objectivity... it makes me feel unclean somehow...
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:25 pm
The issue is HYPOCRISY. Hello? HYPOCRISY. What I don't want the blind such as yourself to forget is the HYPOCRISY. Do you know that word? Is it not hypocrisy when someone who is gay DEMONIZES the homosexual community?

Oh, and to further that hypocrisy, it would seem you neocons were MUCH more concerned with a heterosexual President who had a sexual trist with an intern to point where you tried to impeach him (but was summarily acquitted by the Senate), rather than a homosexual escort who demonizes gays on behalf of a fake news website.

I have many gay friends who don't share Mr. Gannons style of hypocrisy. But you are doing a splendid job of demonstrating the classic neoconservative style of hypocrisy so prevalent in today's politics.

I'd say your lack of objectivity might be improved if you stopped staring at this:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/images/avatars/594558887420bd6b309f40.jpg

But I doubt it...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:31 pm
So, not only are you obsessed with Gannon being a homosexual, you seem to have acquired an odd obsession with my avatar. How many times have you posted inside of your messages now?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:40 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
The issue is HYPOCRISY. Hello? HYPOCRISY. What I don't want the blind such as yourself to forget is the HYPOCRISY. Do you know that word? Is it not hypocrisy when someone who is gay DEMONIZES the homosexual community?

Oh, and to further that hypocrisy, it would seem you neocons were MUCH more concerned with a heterosexual President who had a sexual trist with an intern to point where you tried to impeach him (but was summarily acquitted by the Senate), rather than a homosexual escort who demonizes gays on behalf of a fake news website.

I have many gay friends who don't share Mr. Gannons style of hypocrisy. But you are doing a splendid job of demonstrating the classic neoconservative style of hypocrisy so prevalent in today's politics.

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Based on what you have written then, are you saying that it is the president's fault that a gay man chooses to demonize homosexuality? So how are conservatives demonstrating hypocrisy?? Because we are allowing a gay man to demonize homosexuality? So if this guy were straight and demonizing homosexuality, you would have no issue with him, right? If he were straight, you would have no issue with him and his press pass because this is all about hypocrisy to you, as per your statement, right?

If I am not reading you correctly, please set me straight cause I really want to understand why this guy has become such an issue to so many.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:42 pm
Just for the record......here's the one or two dollars the good ole boys made:

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The business plan called for using tax dollars to boost the value of the Rangers franchise. By threatening to leave Arlington, Texas, the new owners induced the city to spend $150,000 to convince voters to approve a sales tax hike that would raise $135 million for a new ballpark. Arlington also approved a sweet rent-to-own deal in which the Rangers gradually would buy the new stadium for $60 million -- or less than half of what taxpayers paid for it.

Arlington's generous taxpayers greatly enhanced the value of the Rangers. Bush's partnership sold the team in 1998 for $250 million, or three times what they had paid for it 10 years earlier. While Bush ended up sinking $606,302 of his own money into the team, his partners kindly gifted him an additional 10 percent share. He personally made $15 million off the Rangers.

Bush's $15 million came from the new Rangers owner, Tom Hicks of the Dallas corporate takeover firm of Hicks Muse Tate & Furst. The Rangers were not Hicks' first professional sports team. Six months before he bought the Rangers from Bush, the governor helped Hicks get some corporate welfare for his Dallas Mavericks basketball team.

Bush signed 1997 legislation that expressly authorized Texas cities to impose new taxes to finance sports facilities. Months later, Dallas voters agreed to chip in for a $230 million new arena for Hicks' Mavericks and the Dallas Stars. Richard Rainwater had a minority stake in this hockey team, which was principally owned by H. Ross Perot, Jr. Perot, who gave $5,000 to Bush's gubernatorial campaigns, is the son of the 1992 Reform Party presidential candidate. Leading the pitch for this taxpayer-financed stadium were Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk and City Manager John Ware. Soon after the vote, Ware resigned to work for Hicks and the public learned that Mayor Kirk's wife had $500,000 in stock options in a Hicks company.

As this stadium deal reveals, Governor Bush was now in a position to repay the wealthy people who had kept popping up and bailing out his troubled business career. At the same time, the people who had supplied the brains and bucks for his oil and baseball deals again stepped up to the plate to fund his campaigns.

Bush's two gubernatorial campaigns received $146,000 from Hicks and his brother Steven, $100,000 from Rainwater, $61,000 from Rose and his partner, Marshall Payne, and $20,000 from DeWitt and his business partner, Mercer Reynolds.

Known Bush presidential "Pioneers" linked to the Rangers deal include Rose, Payne, DeWitt, Reynolds, Steven Hicks, Roland Betts and Craig Stapleton, a Bush in-law who is an executive at the investment and consulting firm Marsh & McLennan. These seven men already have raised a total of at least $700,000 for Bush's presidential race.

Well Endowed
Taxpayer-financed stadiums aside, mergers and acquisitions are Tom Hicks' favorite sport. For years, Hicks had urged the University of Texas (UT) to take greater risks in investing its $13 billion endowment. In 1990, Hicks had failed to get the endowment to invest in his takeover of Healthco, a dental supply company that went bankrupt three years later.


More here:

http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2000/00march/wheat.html

Not only did it make GW 15 million dollars, and all that money for Hicks and others, not to mention favors, it also paved the way for his gubernatorial campaign.

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"My biggest liability in Texas," Bush told Time magazine in 1989, "is the question, 'What's this boy ever done?'"
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:43 pm
The only obsession being demonstrated here is your unbelievable and complete lack of understanding.

Like I said, classic Rovian style. Not ONCE can you address the HYPOCRISY, which is the whole point in mentioning that Gannon is gay.

And as you've made more comments regarding your OWN avatar than I have, the obsession is yours and yours alone to share with yourself:

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"I find myself just staring at it sometimes..."

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1189247&highlight=#1189247



Very, very sad indeed.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:50 pm
just for the record, McG. Your avatar even offends me.......and that's hard to do. And I'm not kidding.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 01:57 pm
Geez Dookie, I said that as a joke. Rolling Eyes
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:00 pm
CoastalRat:

Do you have any gay friends? I seriously doubt it.

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Based on what you have written then, are you saying that it is the president's fault that a gay man chooses to demonize homosexuality?


Um, I never said that. You aren't listening. Please show me where I said that.

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So how are conservatives demonstrating hypocrisy??


Because, like I said, you guys were MUCH more concerned about a straight President getting a BJ from an intern, rather than a gay, male escort who asked the most ridiculous questions in the WH press room while his John Thompson was on full display in his website.

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Because we are allowing a gay man to demonize homosexuality?


Um, duh, yes.

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So if this guy were straight and demonizing homosexuality, you would have no issue with him, right?


Um, duh, no again. Like I said, I have many gay friends, and would be just as p*ssed. It's really amazing that you ask where the hypocrisy is. But it would seem as though it's extremely difficult for neocons to grasp the depth of this Gannon scandal.

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If he were straight, you would have no issue with him and his press pass because this is all about hypocrisy to you, as per your statement, right?


Um, duh, wrong again. If he was straight, the softball questions and his "employment" at Talon News (which is offically shut down) is still a glaring issue.

Therefore, the hypocrisy of the neoconservatives has been firmly established here. Your questions are telling unto themselves.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:02 pm
Lola wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
How dare he try and make a buck or two ....


a buck or two? one or two?.........you have got to be kidding me. Surely you're not that poorly informed.


Come now ... please explain the implication I'm to draw from your response. Is it your belief that someone should be demonized for trying to make ... let's say .... a million dollars? 15 million? What about a billion? At what point between making just a nice living and becoming a millionaire/billionaire do you draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable?

Lola wrote:
Not only did it make GW 15 million dollars, and all that money for Hicks and others, not to mention favors, it also paved the way for his gubernatorial campaign.


What on earth is wrong with that? Rolling Eyes

Lola wrote:
just for the record, McG. Your avatar even offends me.......and that's hard to do. And I'm not kidding.


Would everyone that is offended by McG's avatar of a woman's hand on a mouse please explain why?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:03 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
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Oh, and to further that hypocrisy, it would seem you neocons were MUCH more concerned with a heterosexual President who had a sexual trist with an intern to point where you tried to impeach him (but was summarily acquitted by the Senate), rather than a homosexual escort who demonizes gays on behalf of a fake news website.


Would that be the President that lied under oath ... that President?

You find it odd that we would be much more concerned about a President who feels it is acceptable to lie under oath, than some heretofore unknown reporter working for a heretofore unknown news website?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:07 pm
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Would everyone that is offended by McG's avatar of a woman's hand on a mouse please explain why?



duh........

I've given you more benefit of the doubt, Tico.......but maybe it's just true. Are you really that literal minded?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:14 pm
First Dook, while I feel no deep need to respond to your first question, I will just for the sake of removing all doubt from your mind. I have several friends who are gay. The guy who introduced my wife and I happens to be gay. I would tell you about others, but what would be the point to it.

Maybe I am dense, but how are conservatives making a big deal about a gay man in the W/H press room asking ridiculous questions? Shouldn't the issue be that a man in the W/H press room is asking ridiculous questions? You guys are the ones who keep making a big deal out of his sexuality. I don't care if he is gay, straight or a donkey. So why should you?

As for your reference to Mr. Clinton, if you cannot see the difference between a gay man in the press room and a bimbo under the Chief Executive's desk then I guess you may be a bit denser than I am.

Your last statement I can agree with. I have no problem with people who have an issue concerning his presence at press conferences. Go ahead, rail about that all you want if you think it is an issue. But the only people bringing up his sexuality on these boards have been democrats, the party of inclusiveness. So much for that farce.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:23 pm
Lola wrote:
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Would everyone that is offended by McG's avatar of a woman's hand on a mouse please explain why?



duh........

I've given you more benefit of the doubt, Tico.......but maybe it's just true. Are you really that literal minded?


I dunno ... are you that dirty-minded?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:31 pm
As predicted,

The thread has been derailed by continuing arguments about the politics of sexuality.

There are two angles to this story: deception, and sexuality. By continually accusing the liberal voices in the thread of demonizing this man due to his sexuality, the conservatives have shifted the argument completely away from the fact that this man entered the WH as a shill for the pres, had access to secret documents, and was allowed inside without working for a news company OR having published any articles (Tico, I note you dropped that point after I clarified; any more thoughts on the 'shifting attack' on the fellow?).

Conservatives, take the opportunity to try to defend the guy based on arguments other than his sexuality. Liberals, I know it's hypocritic and ironic, but lay off the gay angle for a while and let's get some real answers out of them as to how this could happen.

Cycloptichorn
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:40 pm
Cy, Cy, Cy, what can I say. We are the ones trying to lay off the gay angle. Go back and read what Dook wrote. He is trying to say we are hypocrites for letting a gay man bash homosexuality. You are the ones who keep bringing up his sexuality. I will happily drop that from here on out if Dook and others will.

As to everything else, I tend to agree that something is a bit fishy where it comes to his being allowed in based on suspect credentials. As I told Dook, that should be the emphasis here, that a man (not a gay man) was allowed into these press conferences with suspect credentials. You (the anti-Bush crowd) have a point that I for one will grant you on this.

So stop calling us hypocrites for what this guy chose to write about. He may well be a hypocrite for being a gay man bashing homosexuality, but not the conservatives. Heck, to hear y'all talk, all us conservatives are homophobes anyway and are bashing gays all the time, so what is so hypocritical about letting this guy bash gays? Seems to fit right in with what y'all believe about us anyway.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:57 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
As predicted,

The thread has been derailed by continuing arguments about the politics of sexuality.

There are two angles to this story: deception, and sexuality. By continually accusing the liberal voices in the thread of demonizing this man due to his sexuality, the conservatives have shifted the argument completely away from the fact that this man entered the WH as a shill for the pres, had access to secret documents, and was allowed inside without working for a news company OR having published any articles (Tico, I note you dropped that point after I clarified; any more thoughts on the 'shifting attack' on the fellow?).

Conservatives, take the opportunity to try to defend the guy based on arguments other than his sexuality. Liberals, I know it's hypocritic and ironic, but lay off the gay angle for a while and let's get some real answers out of them as to how this could happen.

Cycloptichorn


Dookie continues to bring up G/G's sexuality. You haven't since we had that discussion a while back. But it's not conservatives that are constantly bringing up his sexuality. Point the finger of blame if you want, but point it at Dookie and anyone else who has consistently identified G/G as a "gay" or "homosexual" this or that.

PDiddie thinks G/G is/was not a "real" journalist because he did not meet certain fictitious standards that he has in his head, and you think he was not a "real" journalist because he was not published before. The extension of your theory, of course, means nobody is a real journalist until they've had a story published, but once they are published, they suddenly become a "real" journalist. I find that distinction wholly absurd. I didn't "drop" that point, but find it so spurious that it did not require comment. You want to make an issue out of the fact that G/G didn't have experience before his WH job .. fine .. go ahead .. I've not argued anything around that issue. We understand you feel that to be a huge issue. I don't, but again ... whatever floats your boat.

Where I have taken issue is with the constant reference to his sexuality - which is irrelevant, and reeks of hypocrisy when constantly bandied by the leftists - and with this notion that G/G is not a "real" journalist because he failed to meet some fictitious standards which nobody appears to be able to point to, and PDiddie would ask us to accept their existence on faith alone.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2005 02:58 pm
Cyclo:

It is classic Rovian style.

Notice how not one neocon on this thread has mentioned hypocrisy.

The "bimbo" seems to be Mr. Gannon, who kept pictures of himself up on the internet while asking President Bush softball questions.

But good for you, CoastalRat for bringing up the security issue, because all of this dials directly into this most glaring issue. What does that say about Bush keeping us safer from terrorists when they can't even perform a decent vetting of one's "credentials."

Most neoconservatives ARE homophobic, otherwise, Bush wouldn't have used homosexuality as an issue in his 2004 campaign. Hell, they're using it against the AARP as we speak. Unbelievable.

Do you see the further hypocrisy here? No, I'm sure you don't.

Mr. Gannon was also invited to a White House party without the proper background check. That's the effectiveness of Bush Homeland Security for ya.

Mr. Gannon claimed having access to the Valerie Plame files. He would seem to be the ONLY "journalist" with such a distinction. That is, if he's actually telling the truth. And it is also the truth that is being sorely compromised here.

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Maybe I am dense, but how are conservatives making a big deal about a gay man in the W/H press room asking ridiculous questions?


I believe you are dense. They aren't. They also aren't making much of a big deal regarding the unbelievable breach of security, the wink-wink nudge-nudge of McClellan and Bush, the Valerie Plame claim, and the sudden access to all things Republican in Washingon.

But I'll say this, if you keep on the question of security, then so will I. But I'd like to see McGentrix and rest do the same. Perhaps that is actually something we can ALL agree on.

We shall see...
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