RICHARD NIXON'S REVENGE

Be careful what you wish for in this case, FoxFyre. Be very careful.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Watergate scandal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The Watergate scandal (or just "Watergate") was an American political scandal and constitutional crisis of the 1970s, which eventually led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon. The affair was named after the hotel where the burglary that led to a series of investigations occurred.

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Aftermath

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Watergate led to a new era in which the mass media became far more aggressive in reporting on the activities of politicians. . . .

Foxfyre wrote:

Nixon was loyal to his friends to a fault. It simply was not in him to hang somebody out to dry.

To draw attention away from "the activities of politicians," (a diversion), we must now attack the press.

Everything is the fault of a press . . . the activist liberal media . . . gone wild . . . on a feeding frenzy . . . blowing third-rate burglaries out of proportion . . . and branding poor Nixon as someone who obstructed justice rather than a nice person who simply didn't have the heart to hang others out to dry.

Or maybe . . . just maybe . . . the American people have the right to KNOW about the activities of politicians.

Rest assured, Foxfyre . . . I'm sure there are a sufficient number of cover-ups that go unexposed that the activities of a great number of our politicians will never know the light of day.

Don't spend all your time worrying about the press. You should spend your time considering the following:

Government in the sunshine? Or government in the shadows?

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Government in the sunshine? Or government in the shadows?

Fabrication and falsehoods and innuendo and half truths 'in the light' are every bit as bad as truth in the shadows.

How about we demand and expect honest, truthful, complete, accurate, and fair treatment of government and government figures from the media?

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Kennedy's revenge
And what about Kennedy's revenge? When will he get his revenge?
Did he get his revenge at the same time Nixon got his? (I'm still not clear on the revenge angle in this topic . . .)

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A member of the Democratic Party, Edward Kennedy became involved in politics in 1960 when he campaigned for his brother, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, in his successful attempt to become president of the United States. Two years later he entered the Senate representing Massachusetts.

Edward Kennedy also helped Robert Kennedy in his campaign to become president until his assassination in 1968. The following year he was elected majority whip in the Senate. Kennedy was himself front-runner to become the next Democratic Party presidential candidate until the death of his passenger, Mary Jo Kopechne, on 18th July, 1969, while he was driving across an unmarked bridge on Chappaquiddick Island. Kennedy withdrew from the contest when he was found guilty of leaving the scene of an accident.

In 1979 Kennedy made another attempt to become the Democratic Party presidential candidate but withdrew from the race when it became clear that the public was still concerned about the events on Chappaquiddick Island.

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Activist liberal media . . . providing a frenzied feeding of the news to an unforgiving and concerned public. How do we stop the media from ruining the careers of our most beloved politicians?

Maybe we should get rid of the First Amendment . . . I mean, the activist liberal press is abusing the "freedom of the press" by making mountains out of molehills and destroying the political aspirations of people who merely leave the scenes of accidents and obstruct justice.

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Kennedy is your most beloved politician? You honestly believe he should have been president?

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and Foxfyre is awarded the seque of the day.

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Well she went on and on about Kennedy followed with this:

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Activist liberal media . . . providing a frenzied feeding of the news to an unforgiving and concerned public. How do we stop the media from ruining the careers of our most beloved politicians?

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Oh okay I missed the last paragraph. Apologies Debra.

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Foxfyre wrote:

How about we demand and expect honest, truthful, complete, accurate, and fair treatment of government and government figures from the media?

I prefer to demand honesty of government and government figures.

And that is where Mr. Nixon fell down badly.

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Foxfyre wrote:

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Government in the sunshine? Or government in the shadows?

Fabrication and falsehoods and innuendo and half truths 'in the light' are every bit as bad as truth in the shadows.

How about we demand and expect honest, truthful, complete, accurate, and fair treatment of government and government figures from the media?

I'm not certain what your gripe is . . . feeding frenzies or inaccuracies?

And, OMG, look at the feeding frenzy that occurred when Dan Rather was inaccurate concerning the authenticity of documents . . . (not that the content was inaccurate, but the gosh darn . . . .)

And I demand and expect that the Swift Boat Veterans be held to the same standard as the "liberal press" . . . I demand and expect them to be honest, truthful, complete, accurate, and fair.

Oh . . . too late. Forgive me.

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Sorry, I missed some of this, I went out for sushi and came back to find something equally raw.

Foxfyre offers as a witness for the defense of Richard Nixon in these matters one Charles Colson. I almost fell to the floor.

(BTW I think it is so so cool that two people on this thread have met two of the principles of the Watergate era.)

Charles Colson, for those reading this who are under forty, was the worst of the bad idea thinkers of the Nixon administration. He thought it was a good idea to spread lies about people long before Richard Scaife bought his first book. In order to combat the release of the Pentagon Papers he ordered the break-in of a doctor's office in an attempt to get the medical records (psychiatric) of Daniel Ellsberg in order to use the information in them to smear him. Colson also....well, let's just say that if there was a dirty trick played on somebody the fingerprints would probably be Chuck's.

Then, Charles found Jesus. He was saved. He finally understood what truth and morality meant which is probably why, though he could continue to blow smoke up Foxfyre's skirt about Richard Nixon's great loyalty to his friends, he couldn't answer the question about whether or not he thought Nixon was guilty.

He could not tell a lie.

Joe (the committee was called CREEP for a reason.) Nation

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Not couldn't. Didn't. there is a difference.

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(I couldn't get Colson to say whether or not he thought Nixon was innocent. )

If he said he thought Nixon was guilty, he would be betraying a friend.
If he said he thought Nixon was innocent, he would be lying.

So, like any other good indicted co-conspirator, he kept his trap shut.

These were bad men, bad people, even the ones you met, even the ones you met after they found Christ, bad men and they don't need good people to defend them or their actions.

Stop. They are no longer important.

Joe(The names of the men they killed are on the Wall.)Nation

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Well Joe, the folks who were there, good or bad, no doubt know more than you or I will ever know. I don't think they can be cut out of the picture when it comes to getting the story straight.

To Debra, what do we do when the media only does the job it decides is important and ignores the rest?

Tainted media

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Foxfyre wrote:

Kennedy is your most beloved politician? You honestly believe he should have been president?

And why not? Don't tell me your opinion of Edward Kennedy has been besmirched by the despicable media? So . . . he might take a drink now and then (and left the scene of an accident), but why should that disqualify him for the presidency? And why should a third-rate burglary cause Nixon to resign . . . I'll tell you . . . it's all the media's fault. These men were victims of the media feeding frenzy. And so what if Kennedy has/had a drinking problem, George W. Bush was a raging alcoholic . . . who later turned to God . . .

I swear . . . on a stack of bibles . . . we have to look past the activities of these politicians (ignore and/or minimize their shortcomings) and blame the media. They are victims of the press . . . all of them.

I finally see the light!

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Yes. I see the light too. That darn Tim Russert and his nosey questions, why he can't just focus on the good these people do is beyond me. And if all the media would just get behind the President and push his ideas, why we could even pay them to do that I guess, then so many of the difficulties of governing would simply disappear. Sadly, so many in the press don't see it that way.

and there is this:

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Well Joe, the folks who were there, good or bad, no doubt know more than you or I will ever know. I don't think they can be cut out of the picture when it comes to getting the story straight.

emphasis mine.

It seems a small thing. You shrug and say well, they were there, so they must know more then we will ever know but, if I thought that I would never read another page of history.

The people who were there suffer the circumstance of being in the midst of events they do not yet know the meaning of. We, who follow them, read their words, see their actions on tape and film , hear what they said in public (and sometimes in private), we who follow them will bear witness to the truth or falseness of their lives.

It is we who will know and understand much more than the participants ever realized and it is we who must be honest with ourselves and with history, otherwise we will be as myopic as those who were there and just as blind to the truth, but that won't be the fault of either history or it's participants, it will be ours alone.

These were bad men. They tried to steal your country. If you ignore this lesson of history, you will allow some other thieves to gather.

Ah. Too late.

Joe(History is written by the victors, rewritten by the Joes.)Nation

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What's the big mystery about Kerry's discharge date? After being separated from active duty, an officer remains a member of the standby reserve. He doesn't receive his discharge until his entire military commitment is over. My own honorable discharge is dated about eight years later than the last time that I actually wore a uniform. This isn't media oversight. It's just another red herring.

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"He was the ultimate campaign junkie, and his addiction to politics was total. Cheating and lying and stealing were all he really understood in life.

Richard Nixon was the real thing, and I will miss him for the hideous clarity that he brought to my understanding of American politics, and for the anger he inspired in my works. He brought out the best in me, all the way to the end, and for that I am grateful to him. What follows is the obituary that I just delivered to Rolling Stone. Read it and weep, for we have lost our Satan. Richard Nixon has gone home to hell."

--Hunter S. Thompson, who is being greeted in Heaven today by A2K's very own cavfancier

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The people who were there suffer the circumstance of being in the midst of events they do not yet know the meaning of. We, who follow them, read their words, see their actions on tape and film , hear what they said in public (and sometimes in private), we who follow them will bear witness to the truth or falseness of their lives.

I don't argue with this. I personally and maybe everybody experiences that phenomenon of the bigger picture not being obvious at the immediate event. But in Colson's case, I would think he would have a much more intimate knowledge and understanding of who Nixon the man was than would the historians who did not know him personally but draw their conclusions from inanimate records and opinions of others.

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Nixon (the man) is not the issue at hand. Nixon (the president) is.

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