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RICHARD NIXON'S REVENGE

 
 
PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 09:32 am
Foxfyre wrote:
But then again, he was the first president to have to deal with a mostly hostile, critical, accusatory, and less-than-professional press and, having not had the conditioning for that, maybe that's why he was overly paranoid and/or overly secretive.


Oh please... Rolling Eyes

"He was paranoid, but he had a good reason..."?

Watergate was the high water mark for the MSM.

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What he did was pretty tame compared to some of his successors.


Uh, no. No, it wasn't.

Unless you are referring to invading a country on the pretext of exaggerated and fabricated intelligence. Which I doubt you were.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 10:38 am
Foxfyre wrote:
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But then again, he was the first president to have to deal with a mostly hostile, critical, accusatory, and less-than-professional press and, having not had the conditioning for that, maybe that's why he was overly paranoid and/or overly secretive.


Are you serious? Have you ever read the press reports on Lincoln, or Truman, or FDR? Teddy Roosevelt was parcticlly ridden out of Washington on a rail by negative press.

Hostile? Critical? Read the papers after the Bay of Pigs. I have come to believe that our increased involvement in Viet Nam was a kind of sop to those who wanted JFK to find some place where he could be tough on the Communists. Johnny we hardly knew ya.

LBJ's honeymoon after the assassination lasted about 100 days.

Nixon felt victimized his whole political career. He wasn't Eisenhower's first choice for VP, he got beat by an Eastern Establishment Catholic Liberal when he thought he was entitled to win, he got whipped running for Governor of California (You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around any more.), but even in the good times he remained on guard against any discouraging word, complied enemies lists and exacted his revenges in small, petty ways.

Do you know what I find remarkable about Woodward's writing, both back then (Watergate, Pentagon Papers, Incursions into Cambodia) and in his recent book? He's never hostile, he never sneers.

Joe(I read the news today, oh boy.)Nation
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 11:24 am
I marvel at how some have such a warped vision of historical fact. They can rationalize that pigs just don't fly but they can fly to the moon.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 11:36 am
I'm not so bothered by the skewed view as I am the attempts at revisionism.

It's Kremlin-esque.

(That's the only reason this thread was birthed, and why she keeps kicking it to the top.)
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 12:42 pm
Yes, Joe, I am quite aware that all presidencies have received criticism from the press. But it is my opnion that the media took this to new and different heights during the Nixon administration, that the media abandoned its ethical principles to a new degree during the Nixon administration, and without the degree of hostility exhibited by the media during that era, the history may have evolved very differently.

As for those who wish to direct personal insults rather than participate in the discussion, you will please forgive me if I choose to ignore you.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 12:46 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
But it is my opnion that the media took this to new and different heights during the Nixon administration, that the media abandoned its ethical principles to a new degree during the Nixon administration, and without the degree of hostility exhibited by the media during that era, the history may have evolved very differently.


Explain. Elaborate. Elucidate.

Please.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 01:50 pm
I was a member of the media back then Pdiddie. I witnessed erosion of journalistic standards and ethics first hand. It is the primary reason I am not an official member of the media today.

Had the press not been so almost universally hostile to the Vietnam war, had it not descended in a virtual feeding frenzy when the Watergate burglary story first broke and then, when Watergate turned out to realy be a third-rate burglary, it turned its full fury on Nixon. Had that not happened, Nixon most likely would not have resigned, there would have been no President Ford, no evacuation of Saigon, or any of numerous other scenarios that made their way into U.S. history during that era. That is all speculation of course as everything is based on 'what if's'.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 02:35 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
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Had the press not been so almost universally hostile to the Vietnam war, had it not descended in a virtual feeding frenzy when the Watergate burglary story first broke and then, when Watergate turned out to realy be a third-rate burglary, it turned its full fury on Nixon.


1) The press was not universally hostile to the Viet Nam war. Hardly, after the events of Chicago 1968, the temper of the American press was directed at the peace movement and the trials of the Chicago Seven who were treated as traitors in every paper from the Boston Globe to the LATIMES, meanwhile Spiro Agnew was getting massaged headlines from every statement he made against the nattering nabobs of negativity. Remember? The tv networks were showing war footage, but that was to PROMOTE the war effort, demonstrations and the like got no air time in 1970, 1971.
2)What feeding frenzy? I'm doing this from memory, but it seemed to me that there was two days of coverage and then nothing. A blurb about indictments around Labor Day and then, until the burglar's convictions in January, after the election, nothing. It wasn't until one of the guys going to jail wrote to Judge John Sirica (sp?) alleging a massive cover-up and money connections to the White House that anything got going. Even then, that was like April of 1973, the major news networks, with the execption of CBS, were ho-huming the story. Midway through the summer AFTER the Washington Post broke the story, the gates opened, a full year after the arrests.
3) Watergate was never a third rate burglary except in the eyes of Nixon's defenders. It was an assault of the electoral process ordered by the highest members of the President's staff with the KNOWLEDGE of the Attorney General of the United States. The President may or may not have actually ordered the break-in and other events (McGurder (sp) says he did), but there is no doubt that he participated in and assisted with the cover-up of those crimes.

Good grief, what does it take to make you understand the seriousness of these events? They tried to steal your country. This was not an attack by the press, it was an attack on the foundations of this nation by those in power and a defense by the free press saved us all.

Code:no evacuation of Saigon


well. what can i say?
We would have still been there then, and the Viet Nam Memorial would have tens of thousands more names and we would be a completely different nation than we are, and I think, not for the better.

Joe(You're going to make me start looking this stuff up.) Nation
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 02:47 pm
Intelligent post, Joe Nation.

Foxfyre wants to rewrite history. Nixon's revenge? Nixon is the victim of a hostile press? He's the victim of a feeding frenzy? It was just a third-rate burglary?

Some people can minimize and justify anything.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 03:05 pm
He had no one to blame but himself.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 03:06 pm
You being an anti-war activist and me being a win-a-war-if-you're-going-to-get-in-one person probably will never agree on the evacuation of Saigon Joe.

However, for the interest of accuracy here, I am posting the entire Wikipedia summary of the Watergate scandal. The information in the quote box is alleged 'the smoking gun' and the controversy rages on as to what Nixon's motives actually were in that incident. Nixon haters will interpret it the worst way; those who can see it more multi-dimensionally will generally leave open the possibility of various interpretations.

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This conversation occurred six days after the arrest of the burglars at the offices of the Democratic National Committee in the Watergate office complex. Here, the president and Haldeman, his closest aide and chief of staff, discuss a plan to stop the FBI's investigation into the break-in. They plan to have Vernon Walters, deputy director of the CIA, ask L. Patrick Gray, the acting director of the FBI, to "stay the hell out" of the Watergate investigation because it involved CIA national security operations. This conversation is called the "Smoking Gun" because it proved that Nixon was aware and helped plan the cover-up from almost the very beginning.
This conversation, originally subpoenaed by the Watergate Special Prosecution Force in the fall of 1973, was not turned over to the prosecutor until Aug. 2, 1974. The transcript of the tape was made public on Aug. 5 and the president resigned on Aug. 9.


Watergate scandal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The Watergate scandal (or just "Watergate") was an American political scandal and constitutional crisis of the 1970s, which eventually led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon. The affair was named after the hotel where the burglary that led to a series of investigations occurred.

The burglary
On June 17, 1972, Frank Wills, a security guard working at the office complex of the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C. noticed a piece of tape on the door between the basement stairwell and the parking garage. It was holding the door unlocked, so Wills removed it, assuming the cleaning crew had put it there. Later on, he returned to discover the tape had been replaced. Upon seeing this, Wills contacted the D.C. police.
After the police arrived, five men ?-?-Bernard Barker, Virgilio Gonzáález, Eugenio Martíínez, James W. McCord, Jr. and Frank Sturgis?-?-were discovered and arrested for breaking into the office of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee. The men had broken into the office three weeks earlier as well, and they had returned to fix wiretaps that were not working and, according to some suggestions, photograph documentation.

The need to break into the office for a second time was just the highlight of a number of mistakes made by the burglars. Another one proved costly to them?-?-and the White House?-?-when police found the telephone number of E. Howard Hunt in Barker's notebook. Hunt had previously worked for the White House while McCord, at the time of his arrest, was officially employed as Chief of Security at the Committee to Re-elect the President (official abbreviation CRP but usually referred to as CREEP); so this quickly suggested that there was a link between the burglars and someone close to the President. However, Ron Ziegler, Nixon's press secretary, dismissed the affair as a "third-rate burglary."

At his arraignment, McCord identified himself as an agent of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). The Washington, D.C., district attorney's office began an investigation of the links between McCord and the CIA, and eventually determined that McCord was in receipt of payments from CREEP. A reporter from the Washington Post by the name of Bob Woodward was present at the arraignment, and he, along with his colleague Carl Bernstein, began an investigation into the burglary over the following months. Most of what they published was known to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and other governmental investigators?-?-these were often the sources?-?-but they helped keep Watergate in the spotlight and embarrass the White House. Woodward's relations with a principal inside source codenamed "Deep Throat," whose identity has yet to be revealed, added an extra layer of mystery to the affair.

President Nixon and White House Chief of Staff H. R. "Bob" Haldeman were tape-recorded (a standard, but secret, Nixon practice) on June 23 discussing use of the Central Intelligence Agency to obstruct the FBI's investigation of the Watergate break-ins. Nixon followed through by asking the CIA to slow the FBI's investigation of the crime?-?-claiming, speciously, that national security would be put at risk. In fact, the crime and numerous other "dirty tricks" had been undertaken on behalf of CREEP, mainly under the direction of Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy. They had also previously worked in the White House in the Special Investigations Unit, nicknamed the "Plumbers". This group investigated leaks of information the administration did not want publicly known, and ran various operations against the Democrats and anti-war protesters. Most famously, they broke into the office of the psychologist of Daniel Ellsberg. Ellsberg, a former employee of The Pentagon and State Department, had leaked the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times and as a result was prosecuted for espionage, theft, and conspiracy. Hunt and Liddy found nothing useful, however, and trashed the office to cover their tracks. The break-in was only linked to the White House much later, but at the time it caused the collapse of Ellsberg's trial due to evident government misconduct.

There is still much dispute about the level of involvement of leading figures in the White House, such as Attorney General John Mitchell, chief of staff Haldeman, leading aides Charles Colson and John Ehrlichman, and Nixon himself. Mitchell, as the head of CREEP, along with campaign manager Jeb Stuart Magruder and Fred LaRue, approved Hunt and Liddy's espionage plans, including the break-in, but whether it went above them is unclear. Magruder, for instance, provided a number of different accounts, including having overheard Nixon order Mitchell to conduct the break-in in order to gather intelligence about the activities of Larry O'Brien, the director of the Democratic Campaign Committee.
On January 8, 1973, the original burglars along with Liddy and Hunt went to trial. All except McCord and Liddy pleaded guilty, and all were convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping. The accused had been paid by CREEP to plead guilty but say nothing, and their refusal to allocute to the crimes angered the trial judge John Sirica (known as "Maximum John" because of his harsh sentencing). Sirica handed down thirty-year sentences but indicated he would reconsider if the group would be more cooperative. McCord complied, implicated CREEP in the burglary and the payoff for the burglars' silence, and admitted to perjury.

The Senate investigation

The link of the Watergate burglary to the President's re-election campaign fundraising committee dramatically increased the profile of the crime and the consequent political stakes. Instead of ending with the trial and conviction of the burglars, the investigations grew broader than ever; a Senate committee chaired by Senator Sam Ervin was set up to examine Watergate and started to subpoena White House staff.

On April 30, Nixon was forced to ask for the resignations of two of his most powerful aides, Haldeman and Ehrlichman, both of whom would soon be indicted and ultimately go to prison. He also fired the White House counsel, John Dean, who had just testified before the Senate and would go on to become the key witness against Nixon himself.

On the same day, Nixon named a new Attorney General, Elliot Richardson, and gave him authority to designate a special counsel for the growing Watergate inquiry, who would be independent of the regular Justice Department hierarchy to preserve his independence. On May 18, Richardson named Archibald Cox to the position. The televised hearings began in the United States Senate the day before.
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The tapes
The hearings held by the Senate Watergate Committee, in which Dean was the star witness and in which many other former key administration officials gave dramatic testimony, were broadcast through most of the summer, causing devastating political damage to Nixon. The Senate investigators also discovered a crucial fact on July 13: Alexander Butterfield, deputy assistant to the President, revealed during an interview with a committee staff member that a taping system in the White House automatically recorded everything in the Oval Office?-?-tape recordings that could prove whether Nixon or Dean was telling the truth about key meetings. The tapes were soon subpoenaed by both Cox and the Senate.
Nixon refused, citing the theory of executive privilege, and ordered Cox, via Attorney General Richardson, to drop his subpoena. Cox's refusal led to the "Saturday Night Massacre" on October 20, 1973, when Nixon compelled the resignations of Richardson and then his deputy in a search for someone in the Justice Department willing to fire Cox. This search ended with Robert Bork, and the new acting department head dismissed the special prosecutor. Allegations of wrongdoing caused Nixon to famously state "I am not a crook" in front of 400 Associated Press managing editors at Walt Disney World in Florida on November 17.
While Nixon continued to refuse to turn over actual tapes, he did agree to release edited transcripts of a large number. These largely confirmed Dean's account, and caused further embarrassment when a crucial, 18½½ minute portion of one tape, which had never been out of White House custody, was found to have been erased. The White House blamed this on Nixon's secretary, Rose Mary Woods, who said she had accidentally erased the tape by pushing the wrong foot pedal on her tape player while answering the phone. However, as photos splashed all over the press showed, for Woods to answer the phone and keep her foot on the pedal involved a stretch that would have challenged many a gymnast. She was then said to have held this position for the full 18½½ minutes. Later forensic analysis determined that the gap had been erased several?-?-perhaps as many as nine?-?-times over, refuting the "accidental erasure" explanation.

This issue of access to the tapes went all the way to the Supreme Court and on July 24, 1974 the Court unanimously ruled in United States v. Nixon that Nixon's claim of executive privilege over the tapes was void and they further ordered him to surrender them to special prosecutor Leon Jaworski. On July 30 he complied with the order and released the subpoenaed tapes.

Articles of impeachment, resignation, and convictions
On January 28, 1974, Herbert Porter, a Nixon campaign aide, pleaded guilty to the charge of lying to the FBI during the early stages of the Watergate investigation. Then on February 25, Nixon's personal lawyer Herbert Kalmbach pleaded guilty on two charges of illegal election campaign activities. Other charges were dropped in return for Kalmbach's cooperation in the forthcoming Watergate trials.

On March 1, 1974, the Watergate Seven, former aides of the president?-?-Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Mitchell, Colson, Gordon C. Strachan, Robert Mardian, and Kenneth Parkinson?-?-were indicted for conspiring to hinder the Watergate investigation. The grand jury also secretly named Nixon as an unindicted co-conspirator. Dean, Magruder and other figures in the scandal had already pleaded guilty. Colson in his book Born Again stated that he was given a report by a White House aide that clearly implicated the CIA in the whole Watergate scandal and showed an attempt to implicate him as the one responsible.

On April 3, the Watergate grand jury indicted Ed Reinecke, the Republican lieutenant governor of California, on three charges of perjury before the Senate committee. On April 5, Dwight Chapin, Nixon's former appointments secretary was convicted of lying to the grand jury.
Nixon's position was becoming increasingly precarious, and the House of Representatives began formal investigations into the possible impeachment of the President. The House Judiciary Committee voted 27 to 11 on July 27, 1974 to recommend the first article of impeachment against the President: obstruction of justice. Then on July 29 the second article, abuse of power, was passed and on July 30 the third, contempt of Congress, was also passed.

In August, a previously unknown tape was released for June 23, 1972, recorded only a few days after the break-in, in which Nixon and Haldeman formulated the plan to block investigations by raising bogus national security claims. The tape was referred to as a "smoking gun." With this last piece of evidence, Nixon's few remaining supporters deserted him. The ten congressmen who had voted against the Articles of Impeachment in committee announced that they would all support impeachment when the vote was taken in the full House.

Nixon leaving the White House after his resignation, August 9, 1974
Nixon's support in the Senate was weak as well. After being told by key Republican Senators that enough votes existed to convict him, Nixon decided to resign. In a nationally televised address on the evening of August 8, 1974, he announced he would resign effective noon on August 9. Ultimately, Nixon was never actually impeached or convicted, since his resignation voided the issue. He was succeeded by Gerald Ford, who on September 8 issued a widely-scoped pardon for Nixon, immunizing him from prosecution for any crimes he may have committed as President. Nixon proclaimed his innocence until his death, but his acceptance of the pardon implied otherwise in the eyes of many: accepting a presidential pardon is voluntary and constitutes a legal admission of guilt, as opposed to a commutation of sentence, which cannot be denied since legal guilt is established at the time of conviction.

As for the Watergate Seven, Colson pleaded guilty to charges concerning the Ellsberg case; in exchange, the indictment against him for covering up the activities of CREEP was dropped, as it was against Strachan. The remaining five members of the Watergate Seven indicted in March went on trial in October 1974, and on January 1, 1975, all but Parkinson were found guilty. In 1976, the U.S. Court of Appeals ordered a new trial for Mardian; subsequently, all charges against him were dropped. Haldeman, Ehrlichman, and Mitchell exhausted their appeals in 1977. Ehrlichman voluntarily entered prison in 1976 and the other two entered prison in 1977.

Aftermath
The effects of the Watergate scandal did not by any means end with the resignation of President Nixon and the imprisonment of some of his aides. Indirectly, Watergate was the cause of new laws leading to extensive changes in campaign financing. It was a major factor in the passage of amendments to the Freedom of Information Act in 1986, as well as laws requiring new financial disclosures by key government officials.
While not legally required, other types of personal disclosure, such as releasing recent income tax forms, became expected. Knowing he was comfortably ahead in the 1972 election, Nixon refused to debate his opponent, George McGovern. No major candidate for the presidency since has been able to avoid debates. Previous Presidents since Franklin Roosevelt had recorded many of their conversations, but after Watergate this practice became virtually non-existent.

Watergate led to a new era in which the mass media became far more aggressive in reporting on the activities of politicians. For instance, when Wilbur Mills, a powerful congressman, was in a drunken driving accident a few months after Nixon resigned. The incident, similar to others which the press had previously never mentioned, was reported, and Mills soon had to resign. In addition to reporters becoming more aggressive in revealing the personal conduct of key politicians, they also became far more cynical in reporting on political issues. A new generation of reporters, hoping to become the next Woodward and Bernstein, embraced investigative reporting and sought to uncover new scandals in the increasing amounts of financial information being released about politicians and their campaigns.

Since Nixon and many senior officials involved in Watergate were lawyers, the scandal severely tarnished the public image of the legal profession. In order to defuse public demand for direct federal regulation of lawyers (as opposed to leaving power in the hands of the lawyer-controlled state bar associations), the American Bar Association launched two major reforms. First, the ABA decided that its existing Model Code of Professional Responsibility (promulgated 1969) was a failure, and replaced it with the Model Rules of Professional Conduct in 1983. The MRPC has been adopted in part or in whole by 44 states. Its preamble contains an emphatic reminder to young lawyers that the legal profession can remain self-governing only if lawyers behave properly. Second, the ABA promulgated a requirement that law students at ABA-approved law schools must take a course in professional responsibility (which means they must study the MRPC). The requirement is still in effect today.

So much did the Watergate scandal affect the national and international consciousness that many scandals since then have been labelled with the suffix "-gate"?-?-such as Contragate or Whitewatergate, Travelgate in South Africa and even PEMEXGATE and Toallagate in Mexico. In 2003 a scandal involving a group of Poland's key political figures and a Polish media magnate Lew Rywin was frequently referred to in Polish media as "Rywingate" The idea of scandals ending in "-gate" is itself lampooned in Tim Dorsey's novel Orange Crush, where a fraudulent campaign manager is overjoyed to find that after years of trying to get a "-gate" scandal of his own, he has committed "Seniorgate" at a retirement home.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 03:20 pm
Thanks for the post, Foxy, it saved me from going to go look up what I had wrong. Hey, I don't think I had anything wrong, pretty good old memory cooking here in this head, he said modestly.

Yeah... You are not not going to get me to fight the Viet Nam War again. Laughing

but this:
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those who can see it more multi-dimensionally will generally leave open the possibility of various interpretations.


Please, since I assume that you are one of those who can see things multi-dimensionally, list three of the various interpretations you havefor this :

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Here, the president and Haldeman, his closest aide and chief of staff, discuss a plan to stop the FBI's investigation into the break-in. They plan to have Vernon Walters, deputy director of the CIA, ask L. Patrick Gray, the acting director of the FBI, to "stay the hell out" of the Watergate investigation because it involved CIA national security operations.


What were these guys thinking?

Joe (It's not obstruction of Justice, we are saving FBI man workhours)Nation
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 03:23 pm
Good job at reminding me how disillusioned about America I became as a result of the Watergate hearings, Foxfyre. I recall watching them, and crying. Nixon and his crew certainly ripped political innocence from many people. Quite a legacy.

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Nixon haters will interpret it the worst way; those who can see it more multi-dimensionally will generally leave open the possibility of various interpretations.

Fascinating judgment.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 03:43 pm
Joe writes
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Here, the president and Haldeman, his closest aide and chief of staff, discuss a plan to stop the FBI's investigation into the break-in. They plan to have Vernon Walters, deputy director of the CIA, ask L. Patrick Gray, the acting director of the FBI, to "stay the hell out" of the Watergate investigation because it involved CIA national security operations.


According to Charles Colson speaking informally some years ago, Nixon was loyal to his friends to a fault. It simply was not in him to hang somebody out to dry. The language was vintage Nixon, somewhat crude and quite profane when talking off the record. He was devastated if he felt a friend had lied to him or betrayed him, however, and he could be vindictive. Colson is convinced Nixon neither ordered or knew about the burglaries in advance and would have stopped them had he known.

What Wikipedia omitted and is not relfected in the clip, was the agonizing that was going on during this conversation and that was obvious on the tapes. Nixon said re the coverup (and this was played again and again once the tapes were made public) "It would be wrong for sure."

Colson was absolutely convinced Nixon accepted that he lied about what he knew and when he knew it, but that he was also absolutely convinced of his innocence of any wrongdoing in the matter.

(I couldn't get Colson to say whether or not he thought Nixon was innocent. Smile)
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 03:48 pm
If one wasn't a Nixon hater before, after Watergate they should have been. He virtually andsinglehandedly torpedoed the effectiveness of the Presidency for years to come. But how quickly the public forgets and characterizing Reagan as repairing that image is also a crock.

By the way, anyone can contribute to the free encylopedia Wikipedia and write articles that are not free from the "interpretation" that seems to be the complaint against the media that sticks in everyone's craw. In fact, with Blogs abounding who not go to the trouple of substantiating their stories to the standards of the Washington Post during Watergate, it's a free-for-all of dubious information.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 03:56 pm
The Wikipedia article posted is pretty much on target though it does leave out some information that some would consider pertinent. But at least it does give names, dates, and sequence of events that appear to be reasonably accurate; however, like Joe, I am working from memory here.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 03:58 pm
When all is said and done the trickster wasn't near as bad as he could have been considering he was a psychotic paranoid with grandiose ideation. After all he did give us "peace with honor" which ranks right up there with Reagan's vegetable ketchup.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 04:11 pm
I'm not working from my memory but also my close friend who was in the administration and is still friendly with John Dean. Peace with honor was clearly not achieved and it was delayed until thousands more lost their lives. Seems that is now in the realm "collateral damage" which is another rationalization that is a catch-all for all sorts of negligence. The tip of the iceburg was bad enough but that iceburg nearly sank the Constitution and certainly riddled the Presidency with so many holes that it's been leaky ever since.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 04:12 pm
(Those second terms are a bitch).
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 04:30 pm
And John Dean was the star witness against Nixon. And to a man--and I honestly have not heard any of those who went to prison either by indictment or by confession say otherwise--all say that they hold John Dean in utter contempt and most to this day would say he was not truthful in his testimony.

If Deep Throat ever is identified, we may learn more. I will never believe that the American public got the whole story.
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