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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 03:41 pm
Home voters are expelled.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 03:49 pm
Hmph.




It seems to be a bit hard to qualify...........
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 04:05 pm
If a Green is an environmentalist, You can definitely count me!

Anon
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 04:18 pm
old europe wrote:

It seems to be a bit hard to qualify...........


Well, actually, you'rer either a commie or a good person.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 04:26 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
you'rer either a commie


Maybe I should change that avatar again.....
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 05:30 am
yes thanks oralloy for reminding me of the place and date of the bet, it will make it easier to pick up my winnings.

I must say having gone back to that thread and read some of the posts, that there is a great deal of common sense there, particularly from me.
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Louise R Heller
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 11:31 am
Oralloy

On another thread it was mentioned you are posting from an institute of technology located in Haifa, Israel, is that the case??
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 01:54 am
All you doomsdayers out there, I recommend this for reading:

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/president/2006/02feb.cfm
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Mandso
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 01:56 am
if a 'doomsdayer' could be bothered to read that, then they need help.
i mean, what kind of person reads an article that long?!
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 02:14 am
Mandso wrote:
if a 'doomsdayer' could be bothered to read that, then they need help.
i mean, what kind of person reads an article that long?!


165 pages on this thread, surely somebody that might be interested in a scientific perspective on natural phenomena would be interested. He is the president of a worldwide organization of geological scientists that have devoted their careers to oil & gas exploration, production, and other geological disciplines. He does not tackle global warming head-on, but simply points out that assuming simple answers or a man-caused answer to the complex and varied processes of nature will likely derive the wrong conclusions, and that the input of geologists that have studied natural phenomena just might be helpful to politicians that are making policy concerning all kinds of important things like energy, etc.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 02:18 am
okie wrote:
All you doomsdayers out there, I recommend this for reading:

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/president/2006/02feb.cfm


The American Association of Petroleum Geologists is definitely no doomsayer.
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old europe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 08:06 am
I have to say that I'm quite happy about what president Bush announced in his State of the Union speech:

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So tonight, I announce the Advanced Energy Initiative -- a 22-percent increase in clean-energy research -- at the Department of Energy, to push for breakthroughs in two vital areas. To change how we power our homes and offices, we will invest more in zero-emission coal-fired plants, revolutionary solar and wind technologies, and clean, safe nuclear energy.

We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars, and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen. We'll also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn, but from wood chips and stalks, or switch grass. Our goal is to make this new kind of ethanol practical and competitive within six years.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 08:27 am
Indeed, old europe!

The U.S. is indeed a nation of oil addicts , Bush confessed.

His conversion to the clean-technology cause came a bit late, though. But doing it earlier would have meant admitting his addiction to the scientists who deny the existence of global warming. And some addictions are just too tough to break - I do know what I'm speaking of :wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 08:41 am
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Once again, a Bush political appointee ignores the scientists doing the research because their results are unpalatable to business interests. Which, a moment's reflection would allow, puts something of a tarnish on his "more science and math education, please" line of public relations bullshit.

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In an unprecedented action, the Environmental Protection Agency's own scientific panel on Friday challenged the agency's proposed public health standards governing soot and dust.

The Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee, mandated by Congress to review such proposals, asserted Friday that the standards put forward by EPA Administrator Stephen L. Johnson ignored most of the committee's earlier recommendations and could lead to additional heart attacks, lung cancer and respiratory ailments...

In December, Johnson proposed to slightly tighten the health standards that state and local governments must meet in regulating industries and other sources of pollution. But those standards, governing the smallest and most hazardous particles of soot, were substantially weaker than the scientists' recommendations.

Johnson also proposed to exempt rural areas and mining and agriculture industries from standards governing larger coarse particles, and he declined to adopt the panel's proposed haze reduction standards...

"We are obligated to recommend something beneficial to public health," said the panel's longest-serving member, Morton Lippmann, a professor of environmental medicine at New York University School of Medicine.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 08:27 am
Not on global warming, specifically, but on the matter of the Bush administration's rejection, altering, diminishment and deceits regarding the findings of working scientists for crass political gain...

Quote:
Public Misled on Air Quality After 9/11 Attack, Judge Says

By JULIA PRESTON
Published: February 3, 2006
Christie Whitman, when she led the Environmental Protection Agency, made "misleading statements of safety" about the air quality near the World Trade Center in the days after the Sept. 11 attack and may have put the public in danger, a federal judge found yesterday.

The pointed criticism of Mrs. Whitman came in a ruling by the judge, Deborah A. Batts of Federal District Court in Manhattan, in a 2004 class action lawsuit on behalf of residents and schoolchildren from downtown Manhattan and Brooklyn who say they were exposed to air contamination inside buildings near the trade center...

"The allegations in this case of Whitman's reassuring and misleading statements of safety after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks are without question conscience-shocking," Judge Batts said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/03/nyregion/03suit.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 10:23 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Indeed, old europe!

The U.S. is indeed a nation of oil addicts , Bush confessed.

His conversion to the clean-technology cause came a bit late, though. But doing it earlier would have meant admitting his addiction to the scientists who deny the existence of global warming. And some addictions are just too tough to break - I do know what I'm speaking of :wink:


U.S. presidents have been coming out with initiatives to wean us off foreign oil ever since I can remember, going back to Nixon, Ford, and Carter. I think Carter vowed we would be off foreign oil by the early 80's or some such thing. The government throws a few million or billion at all these alternative programs, but so far, history has shown little or no effect. So what Bush came out with in the speech is nothing new or different from what has been going on here for a long time. It is lip service, sort of to quieten down the environmentalists and other people that simply do not understand the economics of energy, but I think the president understands that oil and natural gas will be dominate until the free market gradually proves other technologies able to compete. We are in fact starting to see that, and I think he was realistic in throwing out the year 2025 as a realistic goal for being weaned from foreign oil. I think the tax system can be marginally used to bring about some change, but ultimately the free market as it develops emerging technologies will determine other efficient energy sources that might compete in a significant ways with oil, natural gas, and coal. Alternative energy sources simply must be competitive in price and efficiency, unless a country wishes to waste billions in propping up a less competitive technology.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2006 01:31 pm
I still would like for the President to elaborate on what he meant by 'addicted to oil' and how he would translate it. I think his remark is being somewhat or maybe a lot mischaracterized.

I took it as an acknowledgment of our unhealthy dependency on Middle East oil and a concession that we are unlikely to be able to break that dependency without focusing more on alternate energy sources. I took it that we aren't focusing sufficiently on alternate energy sources.

I didn't take it as a concession to Kyoto or anything like that, but I could be wrong.

He'll get around to explaining it though. He always does.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2006 02:14 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I think his remark is being somewhat or maybe a lot mischaracterized.


As far as I could follow, the speech had been written and re-written a couple of times.

Your objection leads me to the conclusion that either no-one notoced that or that it was done exactly for that purpose, namely to calm the foreigners and to confuse the own folk :wink:
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2006 02:15 pm
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He'll get around to explaining it though. He always does.


ROFLMAO

new lows of logic in this place

Cycloptichorn
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2006 02:17 pm
Some of whom are more easily confused than others.
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