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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2025 02:45 am
The pressure is on for leaders attending the 30th UN climate conference to prevent global warming from accelerating further. So where are countries making strides?

The global race to slash emissions – in nine charts
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2025 02:06 am
With COP30 underway, the climate crisis is in the spotlight. Here are the key facts about how rising temperatures are disrupting our planet.

Climate change in 10 charts
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2025 07:22 am
According to new research data, climate change is also having an impact far below the sea surface. As a result, the deep Greenland Basin has lost its function as a supplier of cold water to the Arctic Ocean.

Deep Arctic Ocean warming enhanced by heat transferred from deep Atlantic
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Abstract

Observations since the 1990s reveal widespread warming in the deep and bottom Arctic Ocean. It is historically attributed to geothermal heating, whereas the impacts of global and Arctic climate change on the deep and bottom Arctic Ocean warming remain unresolved. Our study demonstrates that during the recent decades, the Arctic Ocean deep water is warming at 0.020°C/decade in the Eurasian Basin between 2000 and 2600 m, exceeding what can be explained by geothermal heating. We find that the rapid warming in the deep Greenland Basin diminishes its cooling effect on the deep Eurasian Basin via the Fram Strait, leading to the warming in the deep Eurasian Basin. Meanwhile, the Lomonosov Ridge blocks this warming signal from reaching the deep Amerasian Basin, maintaining its relative slow warming rate of 0.003°C/decade. Our findings indicate that the deep Greenland Basin warming has already exerted obvious impacts on the deep Arctic Ocean.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2025 04:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
So Walter, apart from being German, and they all have a guilty conscience, what makes you believe in Global Warming, Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy??
(I"m Back!!)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2025 05:26 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
(I"m Back!!)
General Quarters, General Quarters! All hands man your battle stations. This is not a drill.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2025 08:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Seriously, I know you missed me. What I would genuinely like to know is what was the biggest fact that convinced you of
a) the planet is getting warmer
b) it is not a natural cycle
c) Man made CO2 is the culprit
d) cutting back on man made CO2 will not destroy us anyway.

What I have seen so far in the press is lies, damn lies and more damn lies.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2025 06:21 am
@Ionus,
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What I have seen so far in the press is lies, damn lies and more damn lies.

Referring to "the press" is a serious over-generalization, as there are many sources of climate news and many of them contradict each other. Which news outlets are you talking about? Which specific stories do you dispute? How do you assess the facts to determine the truth or falsity of a particular claim? Do you have sufficient grasp of climate science to interpret data on your own or do you rely on published articles and media sources – commonly known as "the press"?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2025 06:47 am
@hightor,
Fair play to you.

I've got much better things to do than point out reality to a bloody idiot.

When you have idiots on ignore you don't notice when they come back.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 01:05 am
@izzythepush,
Of course you have people on ignore. You are too delicate to debate, and would always lose your temper.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 01:08 am
@hightor,
An attempt at accuracy by you has resulted in seizing on one summary. Can you deal with the main argument or is that against your prejudice ?

If you read it carefully, you would have seen I said from what I have seen. Not really an arguable statement for you. Would you care to try again with the main points ? They are the ones listed.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 02:32 am
@izzythepush,
"bloody idiot"

You should show more respect to Walter he has achieved a lot.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 06:22 am
@Ionus,
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Can you deal with the main argument or is that against your prejudice ?

You didn't provide an argument, merely an anecdotal reference to "what you have seen". You also accuse me of "prejudice" for simply asking you a few questions – inquiry does not demonstrate prejudice.
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If you read it carefully, you would have seen I said from what I have seen.

You described having seen "lies" in the press. Well, we all have. You failed to inform us as to what these "lies" are.
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Not really an arguable statement for you.

Or you:

a) You haven't provided evidence that the average global temperature has remained the same, or cooled, in the historical record.
b) You apparently, for the sake of argument, accept the warming trend but have neglected to show what natural process has caused this increase.
c) Here you imply, for the sake of argument, that "man made" CO2 is responsible but omit mentioning the effects of other chemicals and particulates caused by industrial pollution.
d) You haven't provided an argument that reducing the amount of atmospheric carbon will "destroy us" so I can't very well argue against it. And no one can predict the future based on something that hasn't happened.

From what I've seen here I doubt that our having a productive discussion is particularly likely.

hightor
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 06:33 am
What I saw reporting on the American lives cut short by killer heat

Nina Lakhani wrote:
Donald Trump’s decision to boycott Cop30, withdraw the US from the Paris agreement and illegally terminate a slew of investments in renewable energy will not change the reality of climate breakdown for Americans.

In what has become an annual reporting tradition, I found myself in Arizona reporting on heat-related deaths during yet another gruelling heatwave, when temperatures topped 43C (110F) on 13 out of 14 straight days in Phoenix. Before embarking on this trip, I spent weeks combing through hundreds of autopsy reports, which I obtained from two county medical examiners using the Freedom of Information Act. Each death report gave me a glimpse into the person’s life, and I used clues from the case notes to track down friends and loved ones in the hopes of better understanding why heat is killing people in the richest country in the world.

In Mohave county, a vast sprawling desert area that borders California and Nevada, about 70% of confirmed heat-related deaths occur indoors, with low-income residents living in RVs and mobile homes most at risk. I went to meet the family of Richard Chamblee, who died just two days after his central air conditioning broke.

Richard was clinically obese and bed-bound in the living room as the temperature hit 46C but his family could not afford to immediately replace or repair the AC system. They tried their best to keep him cool: they bought a window AC unit and installed it next to Richard’s bed, and positioned fans, ice packs and cold drinks at his bedside. But their mobile home is old, open-plan and poorly insulated; Richard overheated, struggling to breathe. His core temperature measured 42C when he was rushed to the emergency room, but doctors were unable to cool him down. His wife, Sherry, who works three jobs, told me: “We had no idea the heat could be so dangerous so quickly inside. It just happened so fast.”

Richard was just 52. He was a devout Baptist and loved playing video games.

Another person who made my heart ache was Hannah Moody, a super-fit, inspiring social media influencer who regularly posted about her passion for the outdoors. Hannah went out on a desert hike and didn’t come home. Rescuers found Hannah, 31, the following day, just 90 metres from the car park, where her body temperature measured 61C. Hannah was among 555 suspected heat deaths this year alone in Maricopa county, home to Phoenix, America’s fifth-largest and hottest city. This year’s death toll comes on top of another 3,100 confirmed heat-related fatalities over the past decade.

One of the most troubling things I have learned over these past few years is that the US does not have a reliable way of counting heat deaths. The nation’s 2,000-plus coroner and medical examiner offices follow no single protocol, and in many cases, whether heat is listed as a factor depends entirely on the experience and qualifications of who certifies the death. Maricopa county is considered the gold standard for investigations, yet my reporting suggests that even they could be undercounting heat-related deaths, specifically for people who are homeless.

Every single heat death is preventable, but the US chooses not to know just how many people are dying and why. “No one dies from a heatwave,” Bharat Venkat, the director of the University of California, Los Angeles’s heat lab, told me. “The way in which our society is structured makes some people vulnerable and others safer.” In other words, it is not just the heat. It is inequality – who has access to shelter, healthcare, money and social support – that often determines who lives and who dies.

What we do know is that the US is the biggest historical greenhouse gas emitter, and that today it is second only to China, so this country’s own culpability in the climate catastrophe now killing Americans did not begin with Trump.

But his rolling out of the red carpet for fossil fuel billionaires while rolling back hard-won regulations and investments in the green transition has been both barefaced and unprecedented.

On a recent reporting trip (my last for the Guardian) to Virginia and West Virginia, folks seemed genuinely confused after Trump and his buddy Elon Musk terminated billions of dollars in Biden-era clean energy and climate adaptation grants and incentives earmarked for Appalachia. The historic cash injection was meant to help revitalise and strengthen former coal communities, which overwhelmingly support Trump and are being increasingly hit with destructive floods.

Trump’s lawless policymaking upended investments to support Appalachia’s transition from extractive industries to solar and other non-fossil energy technologies, which would have created thousands of jobs for a region that was broken first by coal then by the opioid epidemic. The cuts include cancelling money approved by Congress for a new fire station and solar-powered resilience hub in Dante, a mountain holler, population 600 (down from 3,000 when coal was king), which has been hit by days-long power outages and catastrophic flooding in recent years.

Across Appalachia, Arizona, and the entire US, communities are being hit by Trump’s wholesale cuts to food stamps, medical care, and climate resilience programmes. Yet these same communities continue to be bombarded with misinformation and disinformation at church, through social media and right-wing broadcasters, and many remain skeptical about the role fossil fuels, climate change and capitalism plays in the economic hardship and environmental destruction wrecking their lives.

guardian/downtoearth

izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 07:26 am
@hightor,
See what I mean?

Some people are too stubborn and or stupid to be reasoned with.

Lickspittle subservience to Murdoch rots the brain.

Well done for trying even though his prejudices gets in the way of reality.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 02:24 pm
I don't normally comment on this thread because it's all too depressing.

I'm under no illusions as to how bad things are.

What makes it worse is when someone in their dotage tries to deny evidence with nothing but bluster, bombast and cliches.

Our kids will be dealing with this crap long after idiots like that have gone to that big garbage island in the sky.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 08:13 pm
@hightor,
You do realise extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. There are very dull people believing in the new religion and the press, who should be smarter, are lapping up the money like thirsty dogs. I laid out for you the way proving Global Warming should follow logical steps, and I apologise if this was above your intelligence but I assure you those steps are required before anyone believes in this new religion.

Your spurious attempts to confuse and conflute are on a par with Izzies failed attempts at music. It produces bitterness and a decrease in open mindedness.

You can't see my argument for laying out a proper procedure of proof ??
Really ?? Tell me what can you see.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 08:15 pm
@hightor,
If you wish to defend the world then the poor must pay the bill. You aren't gullible enough to think the rich will pay are you?

You have to start a political movement to achieve what you want, not just whinge and whine on the net.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2025 08:20 pm
@izzythepush,
Perhaps your depression is based on your own mortality ?? Never mind Izzy, when you learn how to put forward a good argument I am sure people won't think of you as full of bluster, bombast and cliches.

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Our kids will be dealing with this crap long after idiots like that have gone to that big garbage island in the sky.
I note you fear your own death as you could just as easily have said when you go to that big garbage dump in the sky.

If GW has NEVER been proven, why are you distraught ?? God has NEVER been proven, does that upset you also ??
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2025 05:08 am
@Ionus,
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You can't see my argument for laying out a proper procedure of proof ??

No, not really. Especially since you characterize the premises of any opposing argument as "religious".

a) Show me that the average global temperature isn't rising, and for a bonus, show that this rate hasn't increased since the start of the Industrial Age, and for extra points, especially over the past three decades.

b) Then, explain what natural processes could lead to a rise in the average global temperature and how they would work.

c) Next, cite reasons why the accumulation of CO2 and numerous other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has not, and will not, affect global temperature.

d) Lastly, make a sound argument as to why cutting back on CO2 is any more destructive to humans than allowing these gases to continue to accumulate.

By the way, I am under no illusion that trading competing talking points about complex issues on an internet message board is even remotely an attempt at forming an effective political movement or an excuse for one. Rather, I see threads like this one as a place where information relevant to climate change can be collected, sourced, and shared among those who are interested in the topic and concerned about its ramifications.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2025 05:16 am
@hightor,
People often have a motive for denying climate change: their own fear. Those who deny the existence of a threat take away its perceived horror, even if only for the moment.

And then, of course, there is also ‘belief perseverance’.
 

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