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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 05:02 am
You can't trust the Bush administration about many things, but you can trust it to confirm the conspircy theories about itself. Idiots!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 06:31 am
Thomas wrote:
Idiots!


Meaning whom exactly?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 06:38 am
The year 2005 may have been the warmest year in a century, according to NASA scientists studying temperature data from around the world.

Over the past 30 years, the Earth has warmed by 0.6° C or 1.08° F. Over the past 100 years, it has warmed by 0.8° C or 1.44° F.

Current warmth seems to be occurring nearly everywhere at the same time and is largest at high latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere. Over the last 50 years, the largest annual and seasonal warmings have occurred in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Peninsula. Most ocean areas have warmed. Because these areas are remote and far away from major cities, it is clear to climatologists that the warming is not due to the influence of pollution from urban areas.

NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies:
Global Temperature Trends: 2005 Summation
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 12:18 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Hasn't James Lovelock come out in praise of nuclear power? And btw Thomas, oil forcast to go above $100 if we put sanctions on Iran. Some times I wish I was just eating krill below the arctic.

Speaking of the oil price: Do you remember in which thread we bet on the oil price? I stand by my bet that it will fall in inflation-adjusted terms, but I'd like to post a link to it in my "reality check" thread so I can keep track of it.
. Oh dear ! I have no idea where we made it. But we can always make it again and keep track of it properly if you wish.


Is this what you guys were looking for?

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1611662
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 05:56 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The year 2005 may have been the warmest year in a century, according to NASA scientists studying temperature data from around the world.

Over the past 30 years, the Earth has warmed by 0.6° C or 1.08° F. Over the past 100 years, it has warmed by 0.8° C or 1.44° F.

Current warmth seems to be occurring nearly everywhere at the same time and is largest at high latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere. Over the last 50 years, the largest annual and seasonal warmings have occurred in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Peninsula. Most ocean areas have warmed. Because these areas are remote and far away from major cities, it is clear to climatologists that the warming is not due to the influence of pollution from urban areas.

NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies:
Global Temperature Trends: 2005 Summation


Seems to be warming on Mars too from what I've read. Wonder who's driving all the SUVs there?
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 07:03 pm
okie,

are you saying we shouldn't be trying to figure out what is causing global warming on Earth and all the effects it might have because, after all, Mars is warming, too?
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 08:09 pm
old europe wrote:
okie,

are you saying we shouldn't be trying to figure out what is causing global warming on Earth and all the effects it might have because, after all, Mars is warming, too?


I'm saying go ahead try to figure it out. I am saying do not jump to conclusions and institute needless and unwarranted political policy. I am all for sound science. I am not in favor of politically charged science. I am in favor of considering all sound scientific findings, not just the opinions or findings of certain scientists. I doubt if scientists are even close to figuring out the very complex set of variables, some of which we may not even know much about, let alone understand well enough to calculate or evaluate. I doubt it can be determined exactly why the temperatures may be warming if they are, and even if they are and you do figure out why, the why might not be "man caused," but even if it is, what if warming is not a negative effect, what if it might even be positive? If Mars is warming, does that not make you suspicious that if Earth is warming, perhaps the causes might be linked, such as the variations or cycles in the energy of the sun? I am not asserting that they are related, but I certainly think the possibility makes as much sense as anything I've heard so far concerning this subject.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 11:56 pm
old europe wrote:
okie,

are you saying we shouldn't be trying to figure out what is causing global warming on Earth and all the effects it might have because, after all, Mars is warming, too?


I'm glad you are so concerned about the situation on the Mars.

Perhaps, the owber of the Mars Rover should get a ticket?
(Might be that's a reason, because NASA doesn't want to publish a report about that, too? Shocked )
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 02:50 am
On the BBC website today

"It is now plain that the emission of greenhouse gases, associated with industrialisation and economic growth from a world population that has increased six-fold in 200 years, is causing global warming at a rate that is unsustainable."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4660938.stm
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 05:25 am
I havent always been proud to say I'm a member of the British Labour Party over the last two years, but today I am.

(Gordon Brown is Labour's Chancellor (finance minister) and prime minister designate)

from


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article341967.ece

Quote:
The scheme, which is backed by the UK, France, Italy, Spain, Sweden and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, was born out of a proposal by Gordon Brown for a larger scheme to double the total aid budget to $100bn a year.


and from

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article341944.ece

Quote:
The book publishes the Exeter conference's remarkable and menacing findings. These included the unexpected announcement from the head of the British Antarctic Survey, Professor Chris Rapley, that the huge West Antarctic Ice Sheet may be starting to disintegrate - an event which alone would raise sea levels around the world by 16ft.

Today the records of the conference are being published in a book entitled Avoiding Dangerous Climate Change - and Tony Blair says in the foreword: "It is clear from the work presented that the risks of climate change may well be greater than we thought."


(Tony Blair is leader of the Labour Party and Prime Minsiter)

But meanwhile back in the USA

James Hansen, director of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies
(mission statement "to understand and protect our home planet") is being pressurised by the Bush administration to shut up about global warming.

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article341945.ece

It really is time for the US to decide if they are going to be a member of Team Earth, or an opponent.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 06:47 am
'My' General Secretary Sunder Katwala (who's general secretary of the Fabian Society, I'm a proud member of :wink: ) said such already earlier. Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:24 am
Oh yes I forgot you signed up Walter. Have they elected you official spokesman yet? I see the Fabians are worried about the Queen

" 'Queen's feminist instincts being frustrated by Labour government'"

you should be able to give a uniquely Hanoverian perspective on that one Wink

[did the Fabian society really praise Brown?]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 09:39 am
Answers to your question(s) will be given personally. :wink:
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 09:41 am
oralloy wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Hasn't James Lovelock come out in praise of nuclear power? And btw Thomas, oil forcast to go above $100 if we put sanctions on Iran. Some times I wish I was just eating krill below the arctic.

Speaking of the oil price: Do you remember in which thread we bet on the oil price? I stand by my bet that it will fall in inflation-adjusted terms, but I'd like to post a link to it in my "reality check" thread so I can keep track of it.
. Oh dear ! I have no idea where we made it. But we can always make it again and keep track of it properly if you wish.


Is this what you guys were looking for?

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1611662

Yes, that's the one I had in mind. Thanks for the pointer, oralloy!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 01:41 pm
Quote:
CSIRO warms to coal research

Katharine Murphy

AUSTRALIA'S chief scientific organisation has thrown its weight behind the controversial ?'?' coal-friendly'' technologies favoured by the Howard Government, backing away from renewable energy sources such as wind and solar power.


The CSIRO revealed yesterday that it would boost resources in water, health and energy research, with a focus on developing low-emission projects such as capturing carbon and burying it underground in a process known as sequestration.


CSIRO will spend $90 million developing new energy and minerals projects, with $50 million coming from government funding and $40 million from ?'?' partnerships'' with Australia's resources and power industry.


But jobs will be shed from its current workforce of 6500 and cuts will also be made to the organisation's traditional research projects in agriculture and manufacturing.


The shift in research priorities for 2006-07 was blasted yesterday by the federal Opposition and the CSIRO's own staff association.


?'?' Australia has the world's highest greenhouse emissions per capita but the CSIRO doesn't seem to care about renewable energy research,'' Labor science spokeswoman Jenny Macklin said.


But CSIRO chief executive Geoff Garrett told TheAustralian that, ?'?' like it or not'', industry and consumers remained heavily dependent on coal to fire electricity and that that reality was unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.


CSIRO deputy chief executive Ron Sandland said: ?'?' We can have more impact by focusing our energies more in clean coal.''


The new six-country AsiaPacific Partnership on Clean Development and Climate is focused on developing cleaner methods of developing power using the world's existing coal resources.


The group?- the US, Australia, Korea, Japan, India and China ?- has drawn fire from environmental groups concerned that the countries are ignoring renewable energy sources.


Four or five renewable energy projects will be wound up by CSIRO over the next couple of years in areas such as solar power, biological hydrogen and photocatalytic water splitting.


CSIRO said it would be proceeding with major new R&D in areas such as solar-thermal technology and was not abandoning the renewables field altogether.


But its shift in priorities indicates the organisation is conforming to government policy, which argues that the solution to fighting greenhouse gas lies with developing new technologies designed to capture and store carbon emissions.


Dr Garrett also stared down recent criticism of his organisation's pursuit of ?'?' partnerships'' with industry, declaring he would continue to chase external revenue?- like that generated by the recent best-selling Total Wellbeing Diet part-funded by Australia's meat and dairy industries.


Despite the book's popularity, it created a storm of controversy, with some high-profile nutritionists such as Rosemary Stanton questioning the science behind the eating plan.


?'?' We have an internal mantra ?- partner or perish,'' Dr Garrett said. ?'?' Partnerships are absolutely pivotal to our overall strategy. The key point is making great science and great research accessible to Joe Public.''

source: The Australian, print version, Tuesday January 31, 2006, page 2
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 01:46 pm
My co-worker farts a lot. Perhaps you greenies could harness him for gas and wind power.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 01:59 pm
Besides nimh there are more Greens here? Shocked
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 02:00 pm
<raises hand>

Cycloptichorn
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 02:01 pm
Salon Greens are not counted :wink:
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 03:28 pm
I'm a conservative Green with a social conscience. That count?
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