Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Haven't you ever noticed that environmental groups rarely pick on communist countries regardless of how bad the pollution is, the water is undrinkable, etc.?

What is sure anyway is that secular Europe has found a new religion after the communist utopia had collapsed

If God isn't in the equation, then the state can solve all the problems, but in the case of communism, well that didn't work out so well, so lets Save the Earth!

miniTAX, if that "is sure anyway", please tell me the percentage of the population of secular Western Europe that believed in communism while the USSR still existed opposed to the percentage of the population of secular Western Europe that believed in communism after the USSR had collapsed.

Hardly a difference, I'd say. Maybe even more people leaning communist now, for nostalgic reasons, than when the Soviet Union still was around.

And, for some reason, you missed Walter's point that the churches in Europe are playing and have been playing for a long time a very active role in the environmentalist movement.

What surprises me a bit - or what doesn't, actually - is that the tone, the arguments, now change to silly prejudices.

I disagree. In France, the communist party got more than 15% presidential votes in the 1980s. Now at the last 2002 presidential election, it got less than 4%.

miniTAX wrote:

I disagree. In France, the communist party got more than 15% presidential votes in the 1980s. Now at the last 2002 presidential election, it got less than 4%.

Hue received 3.4% of the votes in the 2002 presidential elections.

"When we die and each one of us meets our maker, He is not going to say, 'How did I create the world?' He is going to say, 'What did you do with what I created?' And why do I know that? Because Genesis 2:15 says we are stewards in charge of creation 'to watch over it carefully'.

"How can you 'love your neighbour as yourself' if you are willing to let millions be subject to flooding and droughts caused by greenhouse gases which we, Americans, are responsible for?"

Okay. So mini's and okie's theory is that all the former communists, a godless bunch of people who want to curtail individual freedom and believe in an almighty state, collectively turned green and now form the environmentalist movement.

Walter, of course who could be against Bambi? I think you need to see a little deeper into the basic politics of this issue than merely citing some of the people that want a clean environment.

We all want that.

The argument comes into what is reasonable and balanced and who is going to determine the approach and how. I am simply suggesting that people that favor communistic ideas and government control of commerce and severely dislike free enterprise are some of the biggest drivers of the green movement.

okie wrote:

The argument comes into what is reasonable and balanced and who is going to determine the approach and how. I am simply suggesting that people that favor communistic ideas and government control of commerce and severely dislike free enterprise are some of the biggest drivers of the green movement.

What "communistic ideas" specifically?

old europe wrote:

What "communistic ideas" specifically?

Do I have to spell it out? Are people too dense to figure this out? I guess so. One idea says government can do things better, safer, and more environmentally acceptable than greedy corporations that seek only profit and therefore do not care about the environment.

So is it the profits you don't like, cyclops, instead of the environmental damage? You are coming close to expressing the true agenda here. Some of the biggest environmentalists are Hollywood libs, and they are also the biggest wasters on the planet. So explain that to me, cyclops.

Do I have to spell it out? Are people too dense to figure this out? I guess so. One idea says government can do things better, safer, and more environmentally acceptable than greedy corporations that seek only profit and therefore do not care about the environment.