Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Oops. I totally missed that since I'd never even thaught such could be said seriously.

I think okie has no real idea about the concept of communism.

Communism is primarily a form of society. It seeks to establish a society without classes, without a state, and with common ownership of the means of production.

Where okie is partially right is the inherent criticism of capitalism as a model for a society. Where he is dead wrong is the notion that communism is about "big government". Communism wants to get rid of the government altogether.

No, we can of course discuss Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism or even Socialism, but I think it would be kind of necessary for okie to get at least the basics right.

You're correct, oe. At first, I wanted to post the wiki-entry. But it's too much reading, I suppose.

...ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER GIVES CAR COMPANIES A "TUNE-UP" ...

the above article appeared in toronto's "globe and mail" business section today .
i wonder if someone is going to check and see if "arnie" is wearing "red underwear" (perhaps made in a "communist" country :wink: ) .

actually pretty interesting to read that the spokesperson for the automobile manufacturers admits that they can produce cars that are much more environmentally friendly . it seems that it takes someone like arnie to tell those "girlie" car manufacturers to get their act together .
never thought i would say that : good for you , arnie ; give 'em hell !
hbg

What?????

That got your attention, didn't it?

Who needs to get the basics right, oe?

Okay, okie. What's the role of government in communism, according to The Communist Manifesto? I'm listening.

Now, come on okie, it's quite easy - you know everything about communism, this is only about the basics.

...RUPERT MURDOCK "SEES GREEN" !...
an article in "news.com.au" , one of murdock's news outlets , reports that robert murdock believes protecting the environment is to be encouraged .
he said : "The planet deserves the benefit of the doubt."

"RUPERT Murdoch has called for the Kyoto Protocol on climate change to be replaced by a new international agreement that can be endorsed by the US and the emerging industrial giants China and India.

And the chairman of News Corporation, publisher of The Australian and NEWS.com.au, said that while he had until recently been wary of the global warming debate and apparently far-fetched assertions about its causes, he now believed business must lead the search for solutions.

"What is certain is temperatures have been rising and we are not entirely sure of the consequences," he told a Tokyo conference last night. "The planet deserves the benefit of the doubt."
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and "FAST COMPANY" reports :
"In August, Murdoch invited Al Gore to give his climate change presentation at the annual News Corp meeting in Pebble Beach.

But what has provoked Murdoch to open his mind about global warming?

Signs suggest Murdoch's son James, presumable heir apparent since his brother Lachlan's resignation from News Corp. last year, may be influencing his father on this issue. This March, as CEO, of British satellite operator BSkyB, James spearheaded a carbon neutral policy for the company, setting a target to reduce corporate carbon dioxide emissions by 10% below 2002/2003 levels by 2010. "
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this must be somewhat of a shock to conservatives , i would think .
murdock inviting al gore to speak at the annual newscorp meeting and acknowledging that our earth needs protection .
SHOCKING !
hbg

You guys should know by now that the textbook theory of communism does not resemble what it looks like in practice. I frankly don't care what your textbook theory says. You should know by now that communism is all about government and nothing but government in practice.

okie, It's also true that capitalism doesn't resemble anything like the textbook definition. Both communism and capitalism are a mix of both.

You lived in what communist country, you said?

Oh. My mistake. I thought that when you started talking about "communistic ideas" you were referring to the theory of communism.

You know, like when I'm talking about "capitalistic ideas", I wouldn't expect others to assume that I'm talking about everyday life in the European Union or the United States. I would think that "capitalistic ideas" refers to the concept of capitalism.

Okay then. So why don't you tell us about fundamental principles and concepts of society that Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism have in common with the global efforts for reducing the negative effects mankind has on this planet that you'd sum up as "environmentalism".

I'm listening.

Exactly we here, in Europe and especially in Germany know about that.

Obviously - O B V I O U S L Y.

Strangely enough, Capitalism under Republicans seems to be little different.

Cycloptichorn

I have seen communist Germany, and I've seen Republican America. They couldn't be more different, and Republican America is lots better, warts and all. Maybe you and okie should both visit a communist country for yourself someday. Until you do, it's pointless to debate the matter, and I admire Walter for his patience to even try.

Oh hell, I was just referring to the proclivity for government...

Cycloptichorn

I didn't take it as if Cyc was actually comparing the US to a Communist country.

Anyways, what I just can't stand is this tendency to call each and every person or group not in line with one's point of view "communist". Do people really know what communism is about? A lot of people probably just think that

communism = evil

and for that matter communism is totally in line with fascism and Islamic terrorism, why not? Oh, and environmentalism, of course!

Bloody hell. I'd wish people would refrain from using these fancy foreign words if they fail to grasp the very essence of the underlying concept on the one hand and have no idea what the "realization" of these ideas meant to people living in such a society on the other hand.

All this trifling with communism (= calling all and everything so) is an insult to those who those who had to suffer from it.
And still do.

Besides, I still think, it shows how serious I can take such a person.