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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Oct, 2006 04:52 am
Australia made a U-turn in climate politics today, however

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The Federal Government felt the heat of climate change today when a huge solar energy project given federal funds said it may not have gone ahead without the Victorian Labor government.



Solar plan embarrasses Howard
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 03:33 am
hamburger wrote:
watched a report from the canadian hurrican-forecasting centre yesterday .
their assessment was as follows :
- there are fewer hurricans than last year but total number is not below average
Hi hamburger,
Why not check by yourself at Weatherstree.com
BTW, it's rather funny to see all the brilliant huge hurricane forecasters backpedalling http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/bentley.gif
http://www.weatherstreet.com/hurricane/2006/named-storms-climatology.gif
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 03:40 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Australia made a U-turn in climate politics today, however

A "U-turn" (!) today, another U turn tomorrow, depending on where you read your news. Back to the starting point Cool

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20642498-5003402,00.html
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"The problem with solar power is all the information I've seen is that, like wind power, it is not, in the Australian context, going to make a big contribution to the general of base load power,"
"Base load power is only going to be generated using fossil fuel or, in the long run, nuclear (power).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 01:53 am
No new ice age yet, but Gulf Stream is weakening
Atlantic current came to halt for 10 days in 2004

Sea change: why global warming could leave Britain feeling the cold

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Scientists have uncovered more evidence for a dramatic weakening in the vast ocean current that gives Britain its relatively balmy climate by dragging warm water northwards from the tropics. The slowdown, which climate modellers have predicted will follow global warming, has been confirmed by the most detailed study yet of ocean flow in the Atlantic.

Most alarmingly, the data reveal that a part of the current, which is usually 60 times more powerful than the Amazon river, came to a temporary halt during November 2004.


http://i13.tinypic.com/44jfsb8.jpg
source: The Guardian, 27.10.06, page 17
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 03:21 pm
...APRUPT CLIMATE CHANGE : SHOULD WE BE WORRIED ?...

the above linked report issued by the 'Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution' in 2003 gives an excellent overview of the challenges facing climate researchers .
the article is really too long to be shown in abbreviated form here .
'woods hole O.I.' is a most respected research organization giving anyone - both researchers and laypeople - much needed information.
many more articles can be found by following the links given by 'woods hole O.I. '.
hope you'll find the article useful .
hbg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 11:12 pm
Seven countries set to break emission limits, says the EU environment commissioner:

Figures reveal Europe falling far short of climate targets

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The European Union, self-styled global champion in the battle against climate change, is falling woefully short of its targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions and will need to take radical measures to achieve them, new projections have shown.
The European commission said that, based on current measures and policies, the emissions of the EU's original 15 members will be just 0.6% below 1990 levels by 2010. The EU-15 countries are committed under the Kyoto protocol to an 8% cut on 1990 levels by 2012.

The new figures predict that emissions in 2010 will actually be 0.3% higher than they were in 2004.
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Mr Dimas said that, on unchanged policies, seven countries - Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Ireland, Italy, Portugal and Spain - would exceed their individual emission limits, which are binding under EU law. Even with extra measures, Spain is projected to exceed its 1990 emissions by 51.3% in 2010, compared with an allowed increase under Kyoto of 15%.
... ... ...


EU report online: Climate change: Member States need to intensify efforts to reach Kyoto emission targets
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2006 06:01 pm
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LONDON (Reuters) - Ignoring climate change could lead to economic upheaval on the scale of the 1930s Depression, underlining the need for urgent action to combat global warming, a British report on the costs of climate change said.

The report by chief British government economist Nicholas Stern, a 27-page summary of which was obtained by Reuters, says the benefits of determined worldwide steps to tackle climate change would greatly outweigh the costs.

The 700-page report, to be published on Monday, said that no matter what we do now the chance "is already almost out of reach" to keep greenhouse gases at a level which scientists say should avoid the worst effects of climate change.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/environment_costs_stern_dc&printer=1
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2006 06:45 pm
from the report linked by oralloy :
"It said the world does not have to choose between tackling climate change and economic growth, contradicting President Bush who pulled out of the Kyoto Protocol against global warming in part because he said it would cost jobs.

"The evidence gathered by the review leads to a simple conclusion: the benefits of strong, early action considerably outweigh the costs," said the report, prepared for British Prime Minister Tony Blair and finance minister Gordon Brown."
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let's hope governments around the world will listen !
it certainly sounds like a winning proposition to me .
hbg
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 05:57 am
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Tony Blair said the Stern Review showed the scientific evidence of global warming was "overwhelming" and its consequences "disastrous"


from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6096084.stm

I just highlighted two words from America's favorite Brit for global warming climate change denying SUV driving other Americans to taken on board.

There is no debate anymore.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 06:20 am
Watch as Steve Milloy ramps up on this baby.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 06:49 am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4969772.stm

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A scientific report commissioned by the US government has concluded there is "clear evidence" of climate change caused by human activities.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 06:53 am
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The Stern Review says that climate change represents the greatest and widest-ranging market failure ever seen. And on the basis of this intellectually rigorous and thorough report, it is hard to disagree.

Sir Nicholas Stern, a distinguished development economist and former chief economist at the World Bank, is not a man given to hyperbole.

Yet he says "our actions over the coming few decades could create risks of major disruption to economic and social activity, later in this century and in the next, on a scale similar to those associated with the great wars and the economic depression of the first half of the 20th Century".
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 10:15 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4969772.stm
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A scientific report commissioned by the US government has concluded there is "clear evidence" of climate change caused by human activities.
A scientific report commissioned by Taihiti tourist industries concluded there is "clear evidence" of human activities change CAUSED by climate :
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8112/evidence4hc.jpg
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 10:19 am
2005 is a very good year.
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 10:28 am
McGentrix wrote:
2005 is a very good year.
Enjoy the few remaining ones. There is just 10 to 15 years left before the "tipping point", dixit Tony Blair.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 10:44 am
Well, it seems that many others have a different opinion to some experts here.

Probably we really should trust A2K-members more than those so-called scientists ...

http://i14.tinypic.com/2lw0ytx.jpg

source: Albuquerque Journal, 30.09.,06, page 6
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 10:52 am
I saw a similar projection some time ago, Walter. Sadly, we're out of good, or even acceptable dam sites. Even if we weren't, dams do no good without water to retain, and anyway, western rivers tend to be a bit on the salty side. The salt tends to become more concentrated each time it's used for irrigation.
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 10:58 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, it seems that many others have a different opinion to some experts here.

Probably we really should trust A2K-members more than those so-called scientists ...

Come on Walter,
You'll trust climate models for 50 year predictions whereas they are unable to make 4 month predictions (yeah the same climate models, not weather ones) on major events like el Nino or hurricanes ? That's crazy !
Pls, show me a model which has it right 1, 2, 5 years ahead and comeback with your predictions. Also, show me a precipitation map of the US over the last 20 "exceptionally" warm years.

http://iri.columbia.edu/climate/ENSO/currentinfo/archive/200512/SST_table.html
http://opelinjection.free.fr/rc1/SST_table.gif

http://opelinjection.free.fr/imagesforum/EnsoForecast.jpg

http://www.weatherstreet.com/hurricane/2006/named-storms-climatology.gif
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 10:59 am
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A report by economist Sir Nicholas Stern suggests that global warming could shrink the global economy by 20%.

But taking action now would cost just 1% of global gross domestic product, the 700-page study says.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 10:59 am
STERN REVIEW: The Economics of Climate Change: Executive Summary


Source for the following graphics: Sir Nicholas' presentation
http://i13.tinypic.com/35bidef.jpg
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