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"Is Michael Jackson, guilty?"

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 08:33 am
The, next step in the saga of Michael is the selection of a jury for the trial. Which by all indications will last approx. six months? With all the controversy and media coverage over the last few years finding a neutral jury would seem to be almost impossible. If you were called upon to serve, could you, without allowing what you have previously heard effect your thinking. In other words could you be a fair and impartial juror.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 09:38 am
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In other words could you be a fair and impartial juror.


Yes, I could. I have been a juror on a trial. The jury was given specific instructions as to how to evaluate the case, with regards to the crime with which the person was charged.

No matter what, we had to go by the judge's instructions. I respected that.
We found the defendant guilty. The funny thing was, that the prosecutor was an absolute idiot, and the defense lawyer was pretty good. In spite of that, we held strictly to the evidence.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 09:44 am
He's going to be doomed either way.
Does he get off, the public will cry: he got off easy due to
his celebrity status.
Is he found guilty, the same thing will happen. Although
I cannot imagine him surviving behind bars. He probably
would have to be put into solitary confinement to protect
him from other inmates.
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raspberrian
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2005 02:25 am
Is MJ Guilty?
Well as people will always say "The jury will determine that."

I'll play devil's advocate 2 Cents

Michael Jackson will be proven innocent simply based that he is high-profile celebrity and that is what typically happens if to celebrities. It's not neccesarily a fact, but it happens. It's hard to believe for some, but it can and it does happen. $$$$$
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Don1
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2005 12:23 pm
Mr jackson clearly has serious psychological problems, he is a 45 year old man (old enough to be a grandad) and he lives in a house called Neverland, has disney style attractions on his property, has a pet chimp called Bubbles and has turned himself from a nice looking African American to a white freak.

He admits on television(Martin Bashir interview) that he sees nothing wrong in sleeping in the same bedroom as children despite the fact that 12 ish years ago he was accused of paedophilia and paid the family of accusers $20 million to settle out of court.

My question is this, would you let your children sleep at the home of someone with Mr Jacksons past record, even though it may be nothing more than eccentricity?

Since the answer has to be NO then why did the parents of the children in this case allow them to sleep there?

The only conclusion that any sensible, logical person could arrive at is that they wanted the same $20 million that Jordan's family got.


Should there be serious jail time in this case, yes there should, the parents of these children should get 20 years for reckless endangerment of minors, or whatever term the USA has for the revolting behaviour of these parents.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 08:36 am
The difference between this case and the one Jackson settled for twenty million dollars is that the law has changed. This case could not be settled the same way, because the charges can no longer be dropped. If the parents were thinking money instead of criminal action they blundered.
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Eryemil
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2005 02:06 am
I simply cannot say, this is one of the few subjects that I just can't form a hypothesis on. There are just too many variables involved.

I agree with CalamityJane on what she said.

Jackson's mentality is unlike any that I've encountered among the paedophiles I've talked to. I wish I could know more about him, since is hard to form a clear picture.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 03:01 am
teenager testifies
Teenager testifies about alleged molestation

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District Attorney Thomas Sneddon questioned the teenager for three hours Thursday, his second day on the stand, but only the final 10 minutes of that testimony concerned the alleged molestation. . . .

Throughout the questioning by Sneddon, the high-school student appeared relaxed, smiling at the jury and yawning three times, once so loudly that the prosecutor asked, "I'm keeping you awake, am I?"

The witness grinned sleepily and said, "All I need is a pillow."

His 'best friend on earth'

But in 20 minutes of cross-examination at the end of the day, the teenager's demeanor changed markedly. As Mesereau introduced himself, the witness frowned and stared down at his lap and was often combative answering the lawyer's questions.

Nearly all of those queries suggested that the boy and his family had concocted the abuse allegations to build a lucrative suit against Jackson. Mesereau noted that the teenager did not report the abuse to authorities, but to a psychologist his civil lawyer recommended he see.

"You went to two lawyers and a psychologist ... before you went to any police officers, right?" Mesereau asked.

"Yes," the witness conceded.

The lawyer also took issue with the teenager's claim that Jackson had not done enough to help him and his family when he was sick. Mesereau pointed out that Jackson had allowed the family to stay for weeks at his Neverland Ranch "for free."

"Everyone stays at Neverland for free," the witness shot back.

"Well, who do you think pays the bills?" Mesereau replied.

The lawyer suggested the boy and his family were ingrates and that none of the other celebrities they had asked for help, including actors Chris Tucker and George Lopez, had done as much for the sick boy as Jackson.

But the witness said that, at the time of his illness, he considered the singer his "best friend on earth" and was hurt when Jackson appeared unwilling to spend time with him. Recalling one time when he visited Neverland and Jackson did not come speak to him, the witness said, "It feels like my heart broke right there."

When Mesereau resumes his questioning Monday, he is expected to highlight inconsistencies between the accounts of the alleged victim and his younger brother, who testified earlier this week that he saw some of the molestation.

Jackson, 46, faces 20 years in prison if convicted of molestation, conspiracy and other charges.
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raspberrian
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 03:05 am
Hmm...

As far as it is going...it doesn't sound like he did anything to harm this young person.

Michael has a few loose screws in his head, however, I don't think he is guilty.
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trixabell
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 07:52 am
hes not guilty...and even if he was theres no way that he's going to get a fair trial with the american obsession with trial by newspaper - theres no way that they could find an impartial jury.

the thing is though, that he had such a fucked up childhood tht he still wants to be, and perhaps thinks that hes a kid. stuff like bopping along to one of his songs played in court a while back - its fairly obvious hes not all there. if u look at it that way then, while still mildly worrying, the childrens parties etc etc look so much less ominous -x-
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trixabell
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 07:52 am
hes not guilty...and even if he was theres no way that he's going to get a fair trial with the american obsession with trial by newspaper - theres no way that they could find an impartial jury.

the thing is though, that he had such a fucked up childhood tht he still wants to be, and perhaps thinks that hes a kid. stuff like bopping along to one of his songs played in court a while back - its fairly obvious hes not all there. if u look at it that way then, while still mildly worrying, the childrens parties etc etc look so much less ominous -x-
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 04:17 pm
Someday, one would think that Michael Jackson would grow up and use some adult common sense and intelligence.

He should have KNOWN that he would be a target for charges of molestation if he was ever alone with a child again AFTER he paid millions of dollars to settle a previous claim. Why would he knowingly place himself at risk again by having pajama parties and sleeping in the same bed with young boys?

Either he's a molester or damn stupid.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 04:24 pm
I honestly think he's very limited in his mental capacity.
He is very childlike himself and probably innocent
in his childlike abilities to add two and two together.
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Zane
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 04:31 pm
Innocent until proven guilty, y'all, but really. He may be childlike and whatever but he's a freaking pervert. Hard to believe anyone really believes nothing happened. He's obviously a predator.

And it's never a good idea to give alcohol to an underage cancer patient who has only one kidney.

If I let little boys sleep with me in my bed and showed them porn and gave them alcohol and then showered them with gifts (a $75,000 watch?) ...I'd be locked up in a Detroit second. Or lynched.. or both.

Hey, and you know how he had a hellacious back pain that sent him to the hospital yesterday morning? And he was in too much pain to comb his hair or change out of his pajamas before court? I say "bullshit!" He had time to put his nose on before being rushed to the hospital.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 04:35 pm
I've never understood the idea of his being "childlike." In the sense of retarded? I wouldn't think so. Perhaps a state of arrested development.

I tend of think of it as a willfull childishness, and not terribly appealing. But I'll let the jury sort out the legal issues...
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 04:45 pm
I agree with Zane. He's f*cking children.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 04:51 pm
I'm sure there's another thread on a2k about this very subject, and I offered my opinion at that time that Jackson is not guilty, but has very bad judgements about what he does/acts. As far as I'm concerned, he's not guilty until found otherwise. To presume he's guilty without knowing the facts is just plain unfair. We can all agree his judgements about playing with children at his age is not the smartest thing to do; that alone doesn't make him guilty of the child molestation charge.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 04:56 pm
That whole innocent until proven guilty thing only applies to the courtroom, doesn't it? My opinion doesn't affect the legal process, so I'll say it again. I believe he's f*cking children.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 05:00 pm
That's right; that's the reason why it's being tried in the court room.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 11:32 pm
My personal thinking: He's guilty. But, I can abide by the jury's decision.
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