spendius wrote:fresco means that if they have you covered with Tommy guns you tug on your forelock.I can't see anything wrong with that.
I've known Fresco for a long time, Spendius. You never know what he is gonna suggest you "tug" on!
Probably quick release basque laces I should think.
My "fairer maiden" is in fact a local seminar group which meets in a pub! Last session was pretty hard going debating the mathematical basis of probability theory applied to the intelligent design argument.... over several pints of bitter !
fresco wrote:My "fairer maiden" is in fact a local seminar group which meets in a pub! Last session was pretty hard going debating the mathematical basis of probability theory applied to the intelligent design argument.... over several pints of bitter !
Oh what I would not do for access to a decent English Pub. We have some fine watering holes over this side of the pond...but nothing in the world compares with an English Pub.
You and Spendius ought really to meet up some time and lift a few in toast to we less fortunates.
Good luck with the seminar group! Be sure to practice safe....seminar!
Quote: Last session was pretty hard going debating the mathematical basis of probability theory applied to the intelligent design argument.... over several pints of bitter !
Have you been following the "probability theory applied to the intelligent design argument" being offered here in A2K?
No ...although I am aware of that thread I have avoided it for two reasons. (1) The papers we have discussed are technical/mathematical objections about nature of data and domain of applicability, and anyway (2) my atheistic position directs me to reject "a guiding intelligence" as an a priori on which to even attempt the mathematical analysis in the first place irrespective of its negative outcome. In other words probability theory applied to "God" is no more meaningful for me than discussions about how many angels can dance on a pin-head.
The topic of this forum appears unclear. It appears that some are arguing about the whether the people following those beliefs deserve respect, while others are discussing if the belief itself deserves respect.
Anyways.....
Religion is in itself a very controversial topic. I am sorry in advance if any of what I say take offense with anyone.
As far as the the question of whether respect should be given to someone's belief(s), it depends on the belief. I agree with Frank Apisa in that should bin Laden and Hitler's belief be respected. If a person's belief is ludicrous and detrimental, then there should be no cause for respect. Respect should be given only where it is deserved.
Although some religion's have been given a bad name in the point of view of various groups, it is sometimes an effect of current events (i.e. 9/11 or Madrid train bombing) and/or hereditary ignorance. Thus, its not a question of whether we should respect other people's beliefs, its a question of which beliefs merit the respect of others. Most belief(s), referring to theological, are worth showing respect.
Moreover, everyone in this forum has address the issue of belief(s) as in religious, however, there remains an entire separate section of the term belief(s) as in personal opinions or truths. These belief(s), in contrast to theological ones, waver in their worthiness in recieving respect. Respect in these cases, meaning high regards towards.
The topic of this forum appears unclear. It appears that some are arguing about the whether the people following those beliefs deserve respect, while others are discussing if the belief itself deserves respect.
Anyways.....
Religion is in itself a very controversial topic. I am sorry in advance if any of what I say take offense with anyone.
As far as the the question of whether respect should be given to someone's belief(s), it depends on the belief. I agree with Frank Apisa in that should bin Laden and Hitler's belief be respected. If a person's belief is ludicrous and detrimental, then there should be no cause for respect. Respect should be given only where it is deserved.
Although some religion's have been given a bad name in the point of view of various groups, it is sometimes an effect of current events (i.e. 9/11 or Madrid train bombing) and/or hereditary ignorance. Thus, its not a question of whether we should respect other people's beliefs, its a question of which beliefs merit the respect of others. Most belief(s), referring to theological, are worth showing respect.
Moreover, everyone in this forum has address the issue of belief(s) as in religious, however, there remains an entire separate section of the term belief(s) as in personal opinions or truths. These belief(s), in contrast to theological ones, waver in their worthiness in recieving respect. Respect in these cases, meaning high regards towards.
btiger,
Welcome to A2K
The idea of grading respectability of the beliefs of others begs the questions (a) of separating belief from its holder and (b) defining "should" in terms of absolute morality versus social expediency.
A thrd more fundamental issue/problem could even be (c)separating "beliefs" from "facts" especially with respect to trends in quantum physics (expectancy of observer affected what is observed...and also ....Thomas Khun "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" which discusses the nature of paradigm shifts within the scientific community.)
Perhaps therefore we should follow Wittgenstein and see how the words "belief" "respect" "others" and "should" actually operate within specific communication situations.
I believe in respecting the beliefs of others in the pub that beer should be cheaper and served by young ladies who inspire poetic flights of fancy more than do these we have now in the brewery uniform.
People should challenge each others beliefs...to an extent
Their are some people that will never change. Their beliefs are so inbeded within them that their lives dictate around them. These are the people that you should not challenge, because in my experience, you will not change their opinions and you will only frustrate yourself. The beliefs we should challenge are ones that directly pertain to you. I think that we should challenge beliefs, yet I'm skeptical because whenever I do this I end up getting into a screaming fight with the other person and we don't get anywhere. I think that beliefs are very hard to change and that is what makes us unique.
Respect
You dont need to respect other people's beliefs. If your view is the right one than you should be able to impose your beliefs on as many other souls as possible. It's for their own good. It is your responsibility to help these misguided individuals see that they are wrong. If more people were more informed than there would be more prosperity among the people of the world. Unity leads to prosperity. A misguided soul is a dead soul.
... just a minute...I think I'm beginning to hear the sounds of a goose-step marching band !...
Might is Right.!..Unity is Strength!..Arbeit Macht Frei!
I think that other people's beliefs are something we all should respect. When I say respect, I mean to feel or show deferential regard for. One's beliefs are what they think or consider to hold value, therefore there is no right or wrong. When we hear of someone's beliefs, it should only be taken into thought or consideration, not discredited or belittled.
I don't feel the need to respect other's beliefs. I have a right to my own and as far as I'm concerned. I'm right. I think some people are crazy. I know they don't respect my beliefs nessecarily so hey, why should I for them?! We live in a society where every person has to stand up for him or herself. While taking the beliefs of others into consideration is one thing respect is another...
Respect people's beliefs?!
Yes, but it's tricky. Sometimes what we have to say is going to appear as disrespect to the other's beliefs. Sometimes a person's beliefs are toxic and respect means speaking up against them.
Respect people, and tolerate their beliefs unless it violates human rights.
I believe that we should respect other people's beliefs. There is a difference between respecting other's beliefs and believing what someone else believes. Just because you respect someone's beliefs does not mean you believe them. People come from different cultures and have different experiences. Just because someone believes in something "wrong" doesn't mean that you have the right to trash what they believe in. People are able to have whatever beliefs they want.
I believe that we should respect other people's beliefs. There is a difference between respecting other's beliefs and believing what someone else believes. Just because you respect someone's beliefs does not mean you believe them. People come from different cultures and have different experiences. Just because someone believes in something "wrong" doesn't mean that you have the right to trash what they believe in. People are able to have whatever beliefs they want.
