IRAQ: no WMD's - nothing, zero, nada, zip, f#ck-all

I'm not. The UN on the other hand.....

UN Advertisement worth watching...

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/video/stingy-hi.wmv

You are refuting what he says by saying "no, you're wrong. I can't prove you are wrong, so instead I'll just sit here and be smug."

That's getting so old around here.

I say again, the basic bottom line here is that the first anthrax cases turned up within blocks of the humble abodes of the 9-11 terrorists and the last previous cases of anthrax in humans in America had been thirty years prior.

http://www.freedomdomain.com/Templemount/10_12a.html

Now, again, you either believe in the laws of mathematics and probability or you do not.

Assuming you do believe in them, then there is no possibility of anybody other than the 9-11 hijackers having perpetrated the anthrax attacks. And GIVEN that assumption, which I view as an absolute certainty, then there is no rational reason to think that those guys got the anthrax from anybody other than Saddam Hussein. There's nobody else in the world as good at it and nobody else in the world as well-disposed to their cause.

http://www.freedomdomain.com/Templemount/10_12a.html

AMI Employee Speaks Out About Anthrax Case
Anthrax May Have Been Mailed To Company
Posted: 12:50 p.m. EDT October 12, 2001
Updated: 6:23 p.m. EDT October 12, 2001
BOCA RATON, Fla. -- The editorial director of American Media says his company knows how the man killed by anthrax was exposed to the disease. He is also making scathing comments about the Palm Beach County Health department.

Steve Coz, Editorial Director at American Media in Boca Raton, says that the company knows how the anthrax bacterium got into their building, and he says there is a connection to the terrorists.

Coz says that Bob Stevens, the employee who died of anthrax, was infected after exposure anthrax spores delivered to AMI in a letter. He said the letter came into the mailroom, and was opened by someone else who handed it to Stevens.

Bob Stevens at workBecause of vision problems, Stevens (pictured, left) then held the letter close to his face to look at it, according to Coz, giving the 63-year old a massive dose of anthrax spores.

The FBI has asked American Media not to go into detail about the letter, and they currently deny any connection between the letter and the terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Coz says he believes there is a connection, particularly to Mohamed Atta, the hijacker believed to be the leader of the terrorists who resided in South Florida. "We know Mohamed Atta was within three miles of the [American Media] building, we know he was within a mile of Bob Stevens house. We know that the FBI is now going to local pharmacies to see if he did in fact get Cipro. We know that he showed up at a pharmacy with red hands. There are people in this area who have very direct recollection of seeing him. He worked out in a gym where some of our employees were." The FBI continues to say they have not made a direct connection between the terrorists and the anthrax cases.

A congressional source says that more anthrax spores have been found in the mailroom of American Media, but the FBI is not confirming that or any of the statements made by Steve Coz.

Steve Coz also blasted the Palm Beach County Health Department for not informing American Media about Bob Stevens illness earlier. He said, "We found out that Bob Stevens had anthrax on the Internet at 3:00 on Thursday -- we turned on the TV sets and it was all over television. We called the Palm Beach County Health Deparment from 3:00 to 7:30 leaving messages -- we must have left 20 messages. At 7:30 somebody finally picked up the phone."

Second Man Exposed To Anthrax Improving, Has Message For Co-Workers

Ernest Blanco, the second person at American Media to have a confirmed exposure to pulmonary anthrax, continues to improve, though his family says they have been getting a mixed message about his condition.

State health officials say that Blanco does not have the full-blown case of the anthrax that killed his co-worker.

His family says they are confused and they have been told two stories. State health officials say that Blanco (pictured left, file photo) is sick with pneumonia, but doctors have told his family that he has anthrax in his blood and lungs.

Blanco no longer has a fever or is being fed intravenously. He has been moved out of intensive care and weaned off a respirator. His stepdaughter Maria Orth says that he was near death at one point. She said, "One of his doctors disagrees that he ever had anthrax … yet, another doctor assured me he did have it in his blood stream and in his lungs. It's very confusing."

Blanco was tested for anthrax because health officials said he happened to be in a hospital for what co-workers said was an unrelated heart problem.

His wife, Elda said she was rattled when she heard that her spouse had been exposed to anthrax. "I'm not one who cries much, but I feel it inside." She tested negative for anthrax but was given the antibiotic Cipro to take as a precaution.

Meanwhile her husband continues to improve. In a prepared statement he said, "To all my friends at American Media, thanks for all your prayers. Every day, little by little, I'm feeling much better. I hope to be back at work soon."

You would know.

On the other hand, the link between the anthrax spores and the US military has been posted here numerous times.

freedom domain is interesting...

etc

Aha!

gungasnake

so far you have said that the anthrax comes from saddam's labs. you acknowledge that we probably gave him the original samples to play with. what you don't acknowledge is that in terms of weapons of mass destruction, we are numero uno. no one nation on the planet outstrips us in production of wmd.

i am very willing to listen and examine your point of view. i don't agree with it having spent time in the military in the oxymoronic group called military intelligence. i also am less inclined to allow for any connection between saddam and al-queada given saddam secularist and somewhat decadent leanings.

however, i would like you to accept this challenge. you and anyone else who would like to participate could post any hard evidence supporting your point. no assumptions, no i believes, no ithinks alowed. just the facts.

please show where you received the information that convinced you saddam produced the anthrax?

I didn't "receive" that information; it's the general direction in which all of the available evidence points. I formed that opinion after reading a fairly large number of articles and reports.

Hmm . . . why would the alleged 9-11 terrorists spread anthrax about in their own neighborhood?

Are they that stupid or are they like the classic criminal who feels he won't get caught?

Or

Did the CIA fly the planes into the WTC, using photos of some guys from the Middle East, who could, possibly, have been CIA operatives, in order to give the public someone to hate. Since these guys were already targeted and had to be eliminated, did the CIA then plant anthrax in the neighborhood? Now that is a scenario consistent with the CIA m.o.

BTW, anyone hear about the terrorist charade that had the Mayor of Boston's panties in a knot and brought the snide governor of MA home from the bush inaugural.

Returning to the subject of Condi, liars are always nauseating.

And, snake, if you think the U.N. is racist, what about bush or are Republican Toms no longer black?

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BTW, anyone hear about the terrorist charade that had the Mayor of Boston's panties in a knot and brought the snide governor of MA home from the bush inaugural.
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yeah

Dirty Bomb Suspect

Mayor :
"i'm going to be sleeping in my bed in Massachusetts tonight, and I feel perfectly safe doing so," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/19/boston.threat/

I think its a hoax, just to remind the people of America about the dangers of Terrorist Attacks, and to keep backing W.Bush "war on terror"

from the musical "They're Everywhere!"

"Oh my god, the children!
Telephone the husbands!
Can't you just imagine
Mushrooms by the dozens!
Johnny get the duct tape!
Seal baby in the dustbin!
We knew that it would come to this!
Yellow-menace-muslims!"

gungasnake

allowing that you do read, the question is whom do you read. The national review, the wall street journal, or some other conservative slanted newspaper?

i am all in favor of formulating an opinion, but to foist that opinion on the masses as fact is disingenuous. you have no proof that anything you have put forth is more than a theory, not fact.

the body of evidence that exists points to no one in particular as the perpetrator of the anthrax crime. until such time as you have solid evidence, not conjecture, that saddam had anything to do with it or the tower bombing, please check your facts and state that what you are saying is no more or less than what you believe to be true.

at that time, a real dialogue can begin.

Why did I just know Rafick would be the first to respond to these questions.....?

Knowing they were to be flying airplanes into buildings a few days hence would eliminate all worry about getting caught. As to spreading anthrax around in their own neighborhoods, I don't think it matteredwhere they spread it around just so long as they did spread it around a bit. The idea was that the anthrax was a warning, saying "Hey, try to do anything about our knocking the two trade centers down, and here's what might happen."

The only other possibility would be somebody trying to frame the 9-11 hijackers and I'd rule that one out because of the length of time it would take to try to prepare something like the anthrax attacks once you decided to do it.

gungasnake

you just don't get it. this whom middle east scenario is about oil. nothing else.

here's a primer on oil and the american economy.
if you were born before 1971 or 1972, you remember that gasoline cost around $.25 a gallon. you also remember that we and the british owned the oil fields in the middle east. at some point in the very early 1970's we gave these oil field to the arabs. why?

during the period of the 1960 and early 1970's the price of oil was fixed at $6 a barrel for number 2 texas sweet. this was good oil. the oil companies also owned the refineries. at the refineries, they processed the oil and sold it for a markup of 700% or seven times what it cost per barrel. this amounted to selling a processed barrel for $42. the arabs, who after being given the oil fields in arabia, a ploy and a windfall for the american oil companies, created an artificial embargo and raised the price to as much as $30 a barrel. the american oil companies who also refined the product now could charge as much as $210 for a refined barrel of oil.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how much of a windfall this was to the american oil companies. for that kind of increase i would have deeded the oil fields to the arabs.

we are slaves to oil. we dance at its feet like it were some kind of god. we smoke it like an opiate. the truth is we really don't need it. we just don't know it.

ask yourself one question. what did the bush family do to acquire its wealth. answer, oil. why do we not have more oilless energy? answer oil. why when we could power up this country with wind and solar energy do we still rely on oil, answer oil.

are you getting the picture.

ask yourself another question. why are we in iraq when north korea already has wmd as does pakistan, india iran and others? answer, the second largest oil reserves in the world.

i don't want to call you naive, but your persistent refusal to open your eyes and look at this administration, repleat with its secret conferences on energy which is perhaps one of the most important issues we face, for what it is; an oil administration staffed by and run for the oil industry.

That's an interesting take there Cavolina. Perhaps you and Rafiki can get together and discuss the finer points of your theories.

Sorry, but that's absurd. It would only be fifty times less expensive to simply buy the oil.

I mean, under a democrat administration maybe. In other words, taking down Saddam Hussein for oil might make sense if it was the only way to get stories about rape or porking teenage interns off the front pages of the Washington Post and NY Times. Republicans on the other hand aren't into anything like that and are vastly more prone to use the simple capitalistic approach (buy the oil) when possible.

It's not about oil. It's about porn. You see, the American porn industry needs to expand, and those damn muslim woman-oppressors just ain't getting the message yet that porn is the coolest. Plus, the Republicans are big on Middle Eastern women for some reason. So they decided to go over there and kick the crap out of Iraq so that we could open up that market, and guys like Cheney, Lott and Rumsfeld can get their groove on to a new dizzying array of middle-eastern babes.

Take that to the bank, people. Every word is true.