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IRAQ: no WMD's - nothing, zero, nada, zip, f#ck-all

 
 
Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 04:49 pm
So, apart from the pistol that Saddam Hussein had in his little hidey-hole the search for WMD's in Iraq has turned up nothing. Zip. Now they've even stopped looking for them...

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Search for Illicit Weapons in Iraq Ends
By BRIAN KNOWLTON,
International Herald Tribune

Published: January 12, 2005


WASHINGTON, Jan. 12 - The White House confirmed today that the search in Iraq for the banned weapons it had cited as justifying the war that ousted Saddam Hussein has been quietly ended after nearly two years, with no evidence of their existence.

That means that the conclusions of an interim report last fall by the leader of the weapons hunt, Charles A. Duelfer, will stand. That report undercut prewar administration contentions that Iraq possessed biological and chemical weapons, was building a nuclear capability and might share weapons with Al Qaeda. A White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, insisted today that the war was justified. He rejected the suggestion that the administration's credibility had been gravely wounded in ways that could weaken its future response to perceived threats.

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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 05:06 pm
LOL! You sure have a way with subject lines, Still.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 05:10 pm
Syria didn't consent to being searched...
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 05:13 pm
Or Mauritius ... they coulda shipped them off to Mauritius ..
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 05:18 pm
Their existence was well documented by the U.N. observers. They had to have gone somewhere. The Iraquis never provided any proof they destroyed them, or even knew how.

Not being able to find them should be a cause for worry, and nothing less.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 05:30 pm
Right. The only better proof of their existence than finding them is not finding them...
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 05:33 pm
We'll let you do the worrying for all of us, cj.

Since 51% of Americans voted for Bush despite this realization long before the election, it should be obvious to "everybody" that "nobody" (that would be 100% of everybody -- or 100% of nobody if you wish to use the prevailing conservative logic) cares.

On this same rationale you will see a federal budget offered that freezes or slashes spending on every single government program except defense and homeland security. Not even COLAs will happen, meaning that spending won't keep up with inflation.

You will see the administration attempt to ram through judicial nominees that were previously turned down by changing Senate rules that have been in place since the Founders' signatures on the Constitution were still wet.

And you'll see the majority party continue to whine, bitch, and cry about how the minority is "obstructing" them.

They will do -- or attempt to do, based on how hard the Democrats choose to fight back -- all of this in the name of that 51% "mandate" they claim.

Audacity just simply does not begin to describe it.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 05:39 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Their existence was well documented by the U.N. observers. They had to have gone somewhere. The Iraquis never provided any proof they destroyed them, or even knew how.

Not being able to find them should be a cause for worry, and nothing less.


Yes, their existence was documented by UNSCOM as they destroyed them!

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UNSCOM has destroyed a range of BW production equipment, seed stocks, and growth media claimed by Iraq for use in its BW programs.

UNSCOM supervised the destruction of more than 40,000 CW munitions (28,000 filled and 12,000 empty), 480,000 liters of CW agents, 1,800,000 liters of chemical precursors, and eight different types of delivery systems -- including ballistic missile warheads -- in the past six years.

UNSCOM reports that it supervised the destruction of 48 Scud-type missiles, 10 mobile launchers, 30 chemical and 18 conventional warheads, and related equipment.

UNSCOM has verified Iraq's unilateral destruction of only 83 Scud-type missiles and nine mobile launchers. Iraq has tried to account for the remainder by claiming the missiles were destroyed by having fired in the Iran-Iraq and Gulf wars, or used in static tests or for training.

In November 1995, Iraq turned over a previously undeclared SS-21 short-range ballistic missile launcher it acquired from Yemen before the Gulf war, illustrating Iraq's ability to conceal major elements of missile systems from UNSCOM inspectors.

UNSCOM finally pressed Iraq to destroy Al Hakam [Al Hakam BW production facility] in the summer of 1996:
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 05:39 pm
Stilly and all. I think everyone knew damn well they weren't there to begin with. Evil or Very Mad
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 06:20 pm
Quote:
has been quietly ended


A tad out of balance with the other side of this pair of bookends.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 06:39 pm
Billion of dollars spent, better than 1300 US service people killed, thousands more grievously wounded. Untold Iraqi's killed and wounded because Bush and Cheney knew that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. And Bush claims he never made a mistake.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 08:21 pm
The phantom WMD were moved to Syria on the phantom trucks (remember the long column of those green ones?).

Do not ask me how I know this.

I could tell you, but then.....(well, you know the rest). Smile
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 08:43 pm
Why are you laughing?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 12:51 am
Thank god that's all over. Now they can get to the important business at hand--revising history so that kids in high school history classes twenty years from now will never have to see the words "weapons of mass destruction" and "Iraq" in the same sentence ever again, and instead will get to read about how George Bush, that great man, liberated those poor Iraqi people, and how they were greeted with flowers and showered with appreciation.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 01:20 am
I wonder, why you co-lefties complain: the USA really did a good job there:

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U.S. experts, he said, had removed low-enriched uranium and other radioactive sources, and helped secure materials that were known to be in Iraq.

Boucher said besides searching for WMDs, the United States also has provided employment for some 120 Iraqi scientists, who worked on Saddam's plans to make weapons.

He said a U.S.-sponsored program that began last year had successfully employed these scientists for work in fields other than making weapons.

The U.S. stipend, Boucher said, also allowed the scientists to stay in touch with their peers in the United States and exchange information with them in their fields. The program encourages them to work on projects inside Iraq.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 01:33 am
kickycan wrote:
Thank god that's all over. Now they can get to the important business at hand--revising history so that kids in high school history classes twenty years from now will never have to see the words "weapons of mass destruction" and "Iraq" in the same sentence ever again, and instead will get to read about how George Bush, that great man, liberated those poor Iraqi people, and how they were greeted with flowers and showered with appreciation.



None other than Joe Lieberman is claiming that all but a few thousand of them are doing that.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 04:16 am
cjhsa wrote:
Their existence was well documented by the U.N. observers.

Yes, back before 1998. Then there was this time they werent let into Iraq. Then they returned, but didnt actually find anything yet before the Americans whistled them back out of the country.

cjhsa wrote:
They had to have gone somewhere.

The overwhelming majority of the WMD that Iraq once had were destroyed during the inspections programs of the nineties. This has been welll documented; the US government even boasted about it at the time. Another part of it would simply have degraded by now. We're talking about a smal share of the original weapon stocks that we dont know what happened to it. Your logic is: if their destruction has not been documented, they must still exist. Odd logic.

cjhsa wrote:
The Iraquis never provided any proof they destroyed them, or even knew how.

They knew how to make them, but not how to destroy them Question
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 04:51 am
Those clever, clever Iraqis! Not only were they able to dismantle all the weapons of mass destruction plants, ship the tons of material out across their borders on mystery trucks and, this is the most incredible part, remove any and all remnants of that production throughout the entire country. What a clean-up effort, we should hire Iraqis to work on some of our US SuperFund Polluted Areas!

Oh, actually other favorite parts were 1) all persons, including family members of the participants, remained completely mum about the activities. Wow, what a code of silence!

and

2) We gave George Tenet the Medal of Freedom.

Joe(How badly do I have to do my job before I get a medal?) Nation
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 06:23 am
god, isn't it tempting to go back to the early US, UN and Iraq threads and paste all those 'knowledge claims' from timber et al up here on the blackboard
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 08:07 am
When do you think we will see some or any of the " I know that there are WMD's in Iraq" defenders now admit they were wrong. You know who you are! Embarrassed Embarrassed
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