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Did the America win Soviet communism?

 
 
Reply Fri 1 Dec, 2017 10:03 am
Not really. The Soviets had great scientists.
The Soviets did not go to the moon because their chief-scientist responsible for the Russians' journey to the moon died.
The first satellite was the Sputnik of the USSR.
The first man that went to space was Yuri Gagarin of the USSR.
The biggest atomic bomb on the planet was the Tsar bomb of the USSR.
The first efficient supersonic fighter was from the USSR. At the beginning of cold war the Russians knocked over 9 American fighters for 1 Soviet.
The first space station was from the USSR.
Who overthrew the Berlin Wall was the USSR (Mikhail Gorbachev).
What overthrew the USSR was its own economy. The Karl Marx's solution is utopian.
For this reason, Gorbachev implemented Perestroika and Glasnost.
 
jespah
 
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Reply Fri 1 Dec, 2017 10:14 am
@algernondavie,
Here's a subway token. That, with what you just wrote, will get you on the MTA.
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Fri 1 Dec, 2017 11:04 am
@algernondavie,
Both the U.S. and the USSR lost. The U.S. had to stumble around and find new enemies to clarify its us/them identity. And it did.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 1 Dec, 2017 11:19 am
@algernondavie,
algernondavie wrote:

Not really. The Soviets had great scientists.
The Soviets did not go to the moon because their chief-scientist responsible for the Russians' journey to the moon died.
The first satellite was the Sputnik of the USSR.
The first man that went to space was Yuri Gagarin of the USSR.
The biggest atomic bomb on the planet was the Tsar bomb of the USSR.
The first efficient supersonic fighter was from the USSR. At the beginning of cold war the Russians knocked over 9 American fighters for 1 Soviet.
The first space station was from the USSR.
Who overthrew the Berlin Wall was the USSR (Mikhail Gorbachev).
What overthrew the USSR was its own economy. The Karl Marx's solution is utopian.
For this reason, Gorbachev implemented Perestroika and Glasnost.

Frakking sock puppets?! Am I right?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 1 Dec, 2017 12:20 pm
I suspect this joker is one of the cruder efforts by the FSB's cyber disinformation center in St. Petersburg. Mikhail Gorbacheb's program was the product of his genuine desire to lead his people to liberal democracy and a market economy. I think he was a true patriot, if somewhat naïve, who didn't see Tsar Vladimir coming. Now Russia has a former KGB apparatchik running the country in the style of Ivan Grozny's autocratic authoritarian regime. The old formula for the Tsars was: "of Great Russia, and Little Russia [i.e., the Ukraine], and all the Russia, Autocrat."
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 1 Dec, 2017 12:45 pm
@algernondavie,
Oh, and by the way, your English sucks. Tell your puppet masters at the FSB that they'll have to do better than that, "Algernon Davie." (The possibilities of those name generators is exhausted.)
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 1 Dec, 2017 12:56 pm
@Setanta,
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2017 08:58 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I suspect this joker is one of the cruder efforts by the FSB's cyber disinformation center in St. Petersburg.

I concur. And unfortunately that probably means it's a hit-and-run post. I would have liked to engage him despite him being a propagandist.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2017 08:59 pm
@algernondavie,
algernondavie wrote:
Did the America win Soviet communism?
Not really. The Soviets had great scientists.
The Soviets did not go to the moon because their chief-scientist responsible for the Russians' journey to the moon died.

It had more to do with their not being able to afford a moon program due to their crappy economy.


algernondavie wrote:
The first satellite was the Sputnik of the USSR.
The first man that went to space was Yuri Gagarin of the USSR.
The first space station was from the USSR.

True. Does not change the reality that capitalist democracy defeated communism.


algernondavie wrote:
The biggest atomic bomb on the planet was the Tsar bomb of the USSR.

That's because they were dumb enough to build a bomb that was too big to use.


algernondavie wrote:
The first efficient supersonic fighter was from the USSR. At the beginning of cold war the Russians knocked over 9 American fighters for 1 Soviet.

I'd need more details to even know which fighters are even being talked about. However, both sides periodically pulled ahead of the other and inspired the other to catch up, so there may well have been an era where such a thing happened.


algernondavie wrote:
Who overthrew the Berlin Wall was the USSR (Mikhail Gorbachev).
What overthrew the USSR was its own economy. The Karl Marx's solution is utopian.
For this reason, Gorbachev implemented Perestroika and Glasnost.

I agree that communism's downfall was due to its crappy economy compared to capitalist democracy.

But in the end communism failed and capitalist democracy survived.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 7 Dec, 2017 12:49 am
The Sovietsmight have built the first supersonic fighter, but it was not deployed against the U.S. Air Force at a time when the U.S. did not have one. That 9 to one is bullsh*t--that's about the ratio of American kills to North Vietnamese (and probably Russian) kills. In Korea, the kill ratio was still about seven to one against the MiG 15. But give the devil his due, the Soviet aircraft design bureaus--Tupovlev, Ilushin, Sukoi, and Miloyan and Gurevich and others--did a great job meeting extremely stringent design criteria. They had to be able to take off and land on unimproved ground, and in snow and ice. Their great climb rate just after take-off was a product of their aircraft operating from basically open fields during the Great Patriotic War. By the time the MiG25 Foxbat and the MiG29 Fulcrum were being produced, they had almost caught up with western avionics, and the on-board radars of the MiG29 were actually initially superior. Their main battle tanks, though, reliably sucked. They were years behind the Germans and Americans, and usually only caught up to the British right before they came out with a new MBT.

The 262 did not go supersonic because German metallurgical resources couldn't meet the demands that a reliable airframe would have placed on them. They were fire-walled at subsonic speeds, and they could not turn with a Spitfire or a Mustang. They had one mission, and one mission only, and that was to go after the bombers. Challenged by Mustangs, they had a good technique--they'd tip the nose down slightly and fire-wall the throttles--they had the legs of a Mustang by about 100 mile per hour. But they could be shot down, and many were damaged. In The First and the Last, Adolf Galland, head of the Luftwaffe fighter arm, tells how the Mustangs would follow them back to base (a Mustang had six to eight hours in the sky) and shoot everything up as they were trying to land. By the end of the war, they were literally hiding in the woods, and the ground crew would roll them out to take off from logging roads.

Richard Candelaria got credit for damage to a 262, and a probable. In this video, go to 28 minutes, it has an account of his run-in with two 262.



So even if the Soviets did have the first supersonic fighter, that tells us nothing about their performance. The F86 Sabre took care of the MiGs in Korea.
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