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Evolutionry/religious nonsense

 
 
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:52 pm
@farmerman,
pratar du svenska?
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jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:53 pm
@farmerman,
In all this physical phenomena what is the mind?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:55 pm
@jerlands,
no. Aber Ich kann Deutsch (send a PM, this site is english )
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 01:58 pm
@farmerman,
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no. Aber Ich kann Deutsch (send a PM, this site is english )

Just curious...
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 02:01 pm
@jerlands,
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In all this physical phenomena what is the mind?
Ill guess that its a really well fed ganglia bundle.

Great apes eat for 12 hrs a day, develop fat guts (because of undigested roughage) and have less than 20% of the neural pre frontal capacity as homo s. s.

Meat, especially cooked meat (which is actually a predigest-ion aid), has accelerated evo/devo of our thinking capability. The brain sucks up 80% of our nutritional intake
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 02:03 pm
@farmerman,
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Ill guess that its a really well fed ganglia bundle.

So.. I take it you assume it's the synthesis of our senses... but don't really know?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 02:08 pm
@jerlands,
I really have no dog in the fray,but it sounds more like metaphysics than science coming on.
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2017 02:13 pm
@farmerman,
Metaphysics is a branch of science? I recall a story of Dali where he bashed a violin because he considered painting the greatest art.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2017 06:14 am
@jerlands,
no, I just meant that your question seemed more involved in metaphysics than science so Ill just pass.

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jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2017 01:42 pm
@dalehileman,
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But Reglgion is equally dumb insisting that the whole thing was 'created' to be the way in an instant, by some sore of supernatural entity.
How do you go about making a table? The first step might be recognizing the need and the next step might be visualizing it in some form so that you can make plans. Ok.. so the first steps seem to be in the mind, a thought process that needs to exist before you actually can lay out physical dimensions to proceed. The mind, thought, seems to be principle to something coming into being, at least in our realm of existence. I also think 'thought' has to do with evolution. We might think of 'thought' as structured words but I think of it as perception and evolution required things perceive their environment in order to survive.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2017 04:19 pm
@jerlands,
No thought is required for nature. It's an evolutionary process based on what's available and the environment in which it exists.
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2017 05:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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No thought is required for nature. It's an evolutionary process based on what's available and the environment in which it exists.

That summation is based upon your interpretation of the word "thought." Thought is 'simply' recognition and nature does recognize its environment beyond the atomic level. We consider higher levels of thought, more acquired levels or order but essentially thought is a universal phenomena in that all things interact with other things and that requires acknowledging in some way that other thing.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2017 12:44 am
@jerlands,
Bullshit . . . organisms which do not fit into their environmental niche don't reproduce, and therefore don't contribute to the genome. Those that do fit in well enough to reproduce have a shot at contributing to the genome. You are engaged in anthropomorphizing to an hilarious degree.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2017 06:26 am
@Setanta,
I wish some of these guys would slide their attempts at argument over to other "kingdoms", like plants, where the same tropisms that yield successful reproduction do occur.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2017 08:00 am
@farmerman,
As far as I'm concerned, attempts to put "mind" into the mix is no different than talking about "intelligence"--it's stealth creationism, in which the BS artist is too dishonest to own up to their theism.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:05 am
@Setanta,
they think that any argument that includes intelligent thought, universal planning, and Higgs Bosons is securely parsed and made into a science "stew" able to blow off any serious questioning of the basis of their worldview.
jerlands
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2017 12:25 pm
@farmerman,
Where's the serious questioning whether Evolution required Thought?
Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2017 04:05 pm
@jerlands,
jerlands wrote:

Where's the serious questioning whether Evolution required Thought?


Evolution does not require any thought. At all.

It is NOT that the environment produces a problem and then a species of life tries to figure out how to solve that problem. It doesn't work like that at all.

Instead what happens is the environment has certain aspects and a species either adapts to those conditions or it dies and disappears taken out of the game of life.

There are NO two species that utilize the same niche. You can not find two species that occupy the same niche. The reason for this is that the best suited for that niche will ultimately prevail within that niche and it will cause the competitor who is not as well suited to struggle.

As soon as two species begin to compete within the same niche, either the less suited adapts to a different niche or it succumbs to the superior species and is taken out of the game of life.

Humans are a little unique in this game because we tend to have empathy for the less suited for survival. We keep around the weak and the physically disabled because we care about them even though they might not contribute to our survival in any way. It could be our strength or weakness depending on how you want to look at it.

But long story slightly longer and answer i have already given. There is zero thought in evolution. No mind behind it. Environment dictates the rules, a species either adapts to those rules or gets booted out of the game.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2017 04:08 pm
@Krumple,
he needs to really consider the power of extinction
Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2017 04:16 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

he needs to really consider the power of extinction


Isn't something like 90% of all the species that have lived on Earth are now extinct? Some number like that.. If that isn't telling about how life doesn't care about who survives or who gets kicked out of the game, then I don't know any other way to put it.
 

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