Evolutionry/religious nonsense

Containing God within science,s ID attempts, would shrink and limit Him, reducing an almighty force into a "tinkerer"

First off, I never countenanced the DOVER suit , since it really was relief from a stupid action of a one sided school board who only wanted their POV preached in science class.

The school board WAS VOTED OUT OF OFFICE.(You keep asserting the the ultimate outcome be left to the voters, well, that happened because the "Stealth Creationists" on the SChoolboard were elected under a false platform of "fiscal responsibility". ) They lied about their ultimate agendas because they tried to strong arm their belief upon the entire school district. (AND you still support that way of doing the public business??)

They lied about their ultimate agendas because they tried to strong arm their belief upon the entire school district. (AND you still support that way of doing the public business??)

check, thats ultimately hat happened. The plaintiffs had to wait four years and the parents who bgan the suit saw their kids being CHEATED in their brief senior High education . Several of the kids were trying to plan careers in biological sciences or pre med. The initial announcement of a mere tag to be affixed with a relatively harmless "definition of what the IDers feel is a theory in science" , was going to be followed up by presenting "OF Pandas and People" which was a handbook of Creationism that was later edited to remove the word "Creationism" and substituted by "Intelligent Design" I notice how you flopp your story around. ACtually everything you mentioned was done in Dover BEFORE the suit was brought

1.DISCUSSION AND DEBATE--Lots of time was wasted in the schoolboard meetings where parents, when they learned about the three "Stealth Creationism bord members"

2. VOTERS-t firt the voters had no recourse because the new schoolboard had four years to do its dirty deed.

They failed much of thir routine responsibility and took up the ID issue

3 The science faculty became more active and appeared at board meetings to try to resist what would become the voting in of initiating some ID in biology.(Science faculty was warned how they work at the pleasure of the board, now firmly in the hands of the ID majority.
4. The law suit resulted from numerous appeals to the board over several years(which were totally ignored--So much for your "open
discussion")

B. The structure of the plaintiffs case not as a denial of religion but the misapplication of it in science class

Did you ever read Edward Humes MONKEY GIRL, it a good read and a good invstigative report about the entire Dover issue. (I recognize how your assertions appear to be some of the "subsequent cover up" by the Discovery Institute to ameliorate their own participation in what really became a fiasco for ID. (DI is ,in the last 10 years speaking out with some of the very same arguments youve been rehashing herein)

No it doesn't. You can't win the lottery without intelligence designing the lottery.
Im sorry, just take a lottery as a given for a natural occurence. Lets not try to go for mere debating points based on a "Capt Obvious" statement.

1. genetic variability is accomplished by sexual congress, mutation, point mutation,polyploidy,integration of symbionts,karyotic fission, replication by several means, and genetic drift (etc). Ive added "information additions at the chromosomal level because many of you seem to think that new info is only added in the genomic level.

2 Natural selection then weeds out and picks out the fittest for that environment. ( I submit thats the major reason that we have many fossil "losers " in the fossil record). Ive always been a fan of the "Two part scheme" of evolution. The organism provides genetic bauplans, and the environment selects the phenotype that wins and reproduces further

You seem to deny that evolution is this two part activity (Is it because you wish to downplay the environments role in evolution)?

Teachers don't decide curriculum.
You mean that your ed boards and school boards dont have teachers as appointed or voted- in members. Teachers cannot run for the legislature or school board in your state??? I spent several years on Pa ed board and was later a school board member while I was a teacher

Just because someone is a teacher doesnt mean that they have to renounce their citizenship. I think BJ, that much of what you say comes out of an alternative orifice

We're still waiting for that evidence, BJ.

That paragraph reads: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws..

Involving ther community in school board meetings and elections is a bad thing? Is ending the debate by judicial tyranny better?

VOTERS-t first the voters had no recourse because the new schoolboard had four years to do its dirty deed.

First of all there was no sexual reproduction in early life,

That is why it is so hard to talk math with atheists.

Holy Crap the faith level is rising to extreme levels in my mind. How do reconcile the need for such a high level of faith in randomly generated information to organize all these complex systems that you understand very well but, cannot explain how they originated without taking a lot of "givens" on faith?

Natural selection has nothing to do with the fact we have lots of losers. The reason is that a lot of losers were submitted and so successful over such a long period of that enough fossils were left for us to recognize and classify them.

I think I can logically argue that I am forcibly being deprived of life, liberty, or property, with due process of law by a bunch of judicial tyrants; I would fight for your rights in the roles were reversed. Would you fight for mine?

well, its easy to see your base in rwality is not based on fact . SCience courses do not have the need to include non science. Non cience includes anything that comes with n genda and a wordview .

Theres no problem learning about the cultural wars but not as a unit in science.
We already have survey courses and history courses, they dont come with any implied "Endorsement of a POV". That is total BS no matter where you are attempting to go herein.

When lawmakers create laws and policies that do not comply with the FEd or state Constitutions, we fortunately have the judiciary to get it right.
Dont Like it?? move to a theocracy .

I have an idea, why not sit for a school-board election in your hometown and see where your POV gets you. Prhaps you can be as dishonest as the Creationists who got elected to the Dover School board on a basis of "fiscal integrity" (whatever they meant in that). I think youll see our democracy in action.

There was no judicial tyranny. What there was, was a fraudulent attempt at circumventing the constitution in a public school. It needed to be set right. The "Discussion approach" didnt work because the stealth Creationist school board members threatened the science faculty with insubordination,and termination.

Is that how a democracy woks (maybe in your world but not mine

The judiciary demonstrated wisdom and clear thinking to dispense with the Medieval Mindset of the Creationists who were dictating WHAT SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN HS BIOLOGY. I cant believe that you are so obtuse to not even recognize this.

Are you saying ideas initiated in medieval times or earlier should be eliminated from science?

Quote: brianjakub:
Are you saying ideas initiated in medieval times or earlier should be eliminated from science?

farmer:
really?