@farmerman,
Quote: the cichlid population just exploded in evolution of new forms that ranged from carnivorous to vegetarian species, deep water and neritic palludal waters (like carp). They became opportunistic exploiters of their new environments and evolved new genera and species accordingly . Opportunistic, no real evidence of ID when we can see species react to local environmental changes, just like all the iguanas of the Galapagos,. . .
op·por·tun·is·tic
ˌäpərt(y)o͞oˈnistik/Submit
adjective
exploiting chances offered by immediate circumstances without reference to a general plan or moral principle
Exploiting without a plan means without adapting. If the organisms adapts quickly to exploit a change in the environment that, would be evidence that somehow information was inserted into the DNA at an earlier time to allow for quick adaptation to an expected environmental change.
Quote:iguanas of the Galapagos, or the many hundreds of unique species of cave fish and insects that appear nowhwere else except for that one little cave somewhere in Tennessee , New Mexico, or Yugoslav qnd China. ALL these species are genetically related to parent species near the cave sites (and nowhere else on the planet). Common ancestors were local and short lived .In only one case, is the common ancestor found in fossils in the cave floor. Kinda difficult, on the bulk of the cases, to even propose Intelligent design when a much simpler example presents itself in all the evidence.
I think it is difficult to expect "random" mutations to cause the proper evolutionary changes over the short period time that was provided just once, let alone all the examples you gave.
This reminds me of an analogy.
A man purchased a program that plays the video game breakout over and over using random moves of the paddle but, keeping track of when it scores and then repeating that pattern over again with a minor "random" change each time remembering the pattern that scores the highest. After a couple days the program had figured out the fastest way to win at breakout.
The man said, "see I figured out the fastest way to win at breakout without using any intelligence just randomly introduced new information."
I said, "But you paid someone with intelligence to write the program."
He said, No I didn't. I paid someone who "found" the program, he used a random word generator to right the program that was very similar to the program that generated random paddle moves to beat the game. The purpose of my experiment is to show computer games can be won without intelligence and I did that."
I said," but somebody wrote the program that wrote the program with the random word generator plus, intelligence was required to build the computer it was running on."
He said, "That doesn't matter, it is to hard for me to identify that person so, I am going to assume he doesn't exist, never did exist. And since it is much simpler I am going to claim that I succeeded in proving the fastest way to win at breakout can be done without any intelligence. The other good thing is I don't have to share any credit for my discovery with him or anyone else."
