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I want the US to lose the war in Iraq

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2005 08:04 pm
Funny, that's just how we see it too. :razz:
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2005 09:35 pm
Except those of us who play soccer, and eat non-soccer players for breakfast.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2005 11:34 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
If the US had received the full sanction of the UN, then it would have been an entirely different war. I don't have any idea what that war would have been like, although I am inclined to believe that it would have been a more justifiable war, and thus a war that I would have been able to support. Without sufficient details, however, I cannot say with any certainty that I would have either supported or opposed the war had the US received the UN's support.


Do you believe that the UN is able to make a war legal or illegal, justifiable or unjustifiable?? I don't. The UN is a voluntary organization in which we participate as a matter of choice. We or any nation can withdraw at any time as we or they may choose and without penalty. We subject ourselves to its will only to the degree we may choose, just as do other nations.

Our participation in the war was done in accord with the prescriptions in our constitution. Therefore it was legal. Period.

Whether or not it was justifiable is an individual determination based on your personal standards and interpretation of the facts.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2005 11:39 pm
I want the USA to slaughter the men women and children of every country that doesn't do as we like and as we say. I have had an ephiphany. F*#k everyone but us.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 01:04 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I want the USA to slaughter the men women and children of every country that doesn't do as we like and as we say. I have had an ephiphany. F*#k everyone but us.


Well, f*#k us too, of course.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 02:12 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I want the USA to slaughter the men women and children of every country that doesn't do as we like and as we say. I have had an ephiphany. F*#k everyone but us.


Wow...if you chose to do so...you would make one hell of a conservative. At least as good a conservative as George or McG!

I guess the only thing you'd have to do is train yourself to go unconscious and accept in a kneejerk fashion everything your conservative handlers spew forth...even if it means steadying their hand as they slip the noose over your head!

Can you do that, huh? Can ya?
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 03:56 am
My handlers have just informed me that it must suck to be a bitter old expletive. I can almost pity you guys. Almost.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 05:39 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Do you believe that the UN is able to make a war legal or illegal, justifiable or unjustifiable?? I don't. [..]

Our participation in the war was done in accord with the prescriptions in our constitution. Therefore it was legal. Period.

There is such a thing as international law, George, whether you agree with the concept or not.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 05:59 am
Instigate wrote:
My handlers have just informed me that it must suck to be a bitter old expletive. I can almost pity you guys. Almost.


Good to know....we almost care.....almost :wink:
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 06:01 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I want the USA to slaughter the men women and children of every country that doesn't do as we like and as we say. I have had an ephiphany. F*#k everyone but us.


Wow...if you chose to do so...you would make one hell of a conservative. At least as good a conservative as George or McG!

I guess the only thing you'd have to do is train yourself to go unconscious and accept in a kneejerk fashion everything your conservative handlers spew forth...even if it means steadying their hand as they slip the noose over your head!

Can you do that, huh? Can ya?


Hell Frank I've changed...I'll even help 'em put on the rubber glove and squeeze the ky on....
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 07:24 am
They must use lots of KY, Bear. Can't think of any other way to get done what they're doing.

And come to think of it...they must buy Preparation H by the case loads. Considering the way it is used...my guess is they consider it body lotion.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 08:11 am
what i don't understand is how on the one hand they use the UN as an excuse (those UN resolutions) and other hand dismiss the UN as an excuse (don't need the UN to go to war).
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 08:30 am
revel wrote:
what i don't understand is how on the one hand they use the UN as an excuse (those UN resolutions) and other hand dismiss the UN as an excuse (don't need the UN to go to war).


You don't understand that the UN is a corrupt and impotent organization?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 08:34 am
Ticomaya wrote:
revel wrote:
what i don't understand is how on the one hand they use the UN as an excuse (those UN resolutions) and other hand dismiss the UN as an excuse (don't need the UN to go to war).


You don't understand that the UN is a corrupt and impotent organization?


What you don't understand is that the UN is the last, best hope of humanity getting past this preposterous situation it has gotten itself into.

And your comment does nothing to answer Revel's implied question.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 08:54 am
revel wrote:
what i don't understand is how on the one hand they use the UN as an excuse (those UN resolutions) and other hand dismiss the UN as an excuse (don't need the UN to go to war).


Because, the US govt believes the UN serves a purpose in the world scene. The US really does want the UN to be successful and perform its intended goals.

On the other-hand, we can not allow corrupt members of the security council decide what is best for the defense of the US. We tried to get the UN on our side of the Iraq war. But, it turns out that the countries that were benefitting most from Saddams existance (Oil for Food) opposed our efforts and they had veto power in the UN.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 08:59 am
Quote:
More Iraqi interim government officials are calling for postponing Jan. 30 elections to ensure a higher Sunni voter turnout, a sign that a campaign of violence might be taking its toll on Iraqi resolve. The country's electoral commission, however, insists that voting take place as scheduled.

Sunni Arab clerics have called for a boycott and Iraq's largest Sunni political party announced it was pulling out of the race because of poor security that has seen insurgents kill scores of Iraqi security forces, as well as several election officials, in recent weeks.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 09:03 am
McGentrix wrote:
On the other-hand, we can not allow corrupt members of the security council decide ...


Current members are:
Algeria
Argentina
Benin
Brasil
China
Denmark
France
Greece
Japan
Philippines
Romania
Russian Federation
United Kingdom
United Republic of Tanzania
United States of America

Which of those are the corrupt ones?

And HOW do you manage this "we can not allow"?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 09:05 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
revel wrote:
what i don't understand is how on the one hand they use the UN as an excuse (those UN resolutions) and other hand dismiss the UN as an excuse (don't need the UN to go to war).


You don't understand that the UN is a corrupt and impotent organization?


What you don't understand is that the UN is the last, best hope of humanity getting past this preposterous situation it has gotten itself into.

And your comment does nothing to answer Revel's implied question.


If you're waiting for the UN to come and save humanity, you have more faith than you let on, Frank. Laughing

I hate to guess at what "implied question" you think is present in Revel's post, and I'm amazed that you would think I would try and answer "implied" questions.. Unfortunately, the UN is heavy on talk and light on action. It seems a lot of criticism of Bush is he stresses action over talk.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 09:05 am
Who was going to lose their gravy train if Saddam was "relieved" of his country? Who threatened to veto any resolution directly allowing US actions against Iraq?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2005 09:09 am
McGentrix wrote:
Who was going to lose their gravy train if Saddam was "relieved" of his country? Who threatened to veto any resolution directly allowing US actions against Iraq?


Obviously my 2002 version of Merriam-Webster is outdated than.
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