@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
Quote:Not an assumption based on what CO wanted to do with a "single payer" plan. If only one of us was paying for insurance and we are both now paying extra in taxes for "medical coverage" how does it save us money? Not to mention all of our children who were getting free coverage from us are now also having to pay more in taxes for coverage they were not paying for before, that will turn into less money in their pockets.
That would depend on taking into account your employer's contribution to your health plan, the amount taxes would go up versus the amount you pay now, and then figuring out the differential for the extra things your job's insurance pays for which the government's plan would not. Do you have those figures? I don't think you do. But without those figures before you, you cannot judge which would be better.
Quote Baldimo:
Quote:If we have such great insurance from the govt, why would we need supplemental insurance? I pay more in taxes and I get to pay out more via my employer to get coverage for things the govt won't cover?
Because Medicare does not cover some things-ask Osso about hearing aids-that your job's coverage does, you have to assess how much the job's coverage is worth. You can't compare apples and oranges.
Quote Baldimo:
Quote:You don't seem to think personal choice in how one lives has anything to do with how long someone lives. Genetics also play a roll in how long someone lives. It's more than the govt taking care of you.
So people in Canada, whose ancestors come from the same places most people in America's ancestors came from, all miraculously take care of themselves better than their cousins to the south? Dude, Canada is so much like the US that I watched a sitcom on my local TV station for several weeks and had no idea I was looking at a Canadian show until in one episode the show's central character started hollering about something "Parliament" did.
Quote Blickers:
Quote:Canada shares a continent and a culture with us and they live 3 years longer than us. Something that is rarely mentioned by those trying to scare us about single payer.
Quote Baldimo:
Quote:Once again genetics and life choices have a lot to do with how long someone lives. Just because they have insurance doesn't mean they won't die. You have a long road to prove "single player" is the reason why people live longer.
Hah!! You're trying to say Canadians live longer than Americans because Americans have a greater percentage of nonwhites, but you don't want to be called racist. Well, we can brush all that aside. Canada does have a higher percentage of white people than the USA, so I will compare the life expectancy of American whites, (79.12) compared to the life expectancy of Canadians, (82.18). Canadians have a very high percentage of whites, (88%), so it gives a good comparison. And even though some nonwhites, (who tend to live shorter lives than whites) are mixed in with the white Canadians, they still live 3 years longer than white Americans. So your "genetics" dodge is out the window.
Why are Americans and Canadians so alike that we are hard to tell apart on almost everything, but Americans die 3 years earlier? Simple-Canadians don't have to worry if they can afford medical bills, many Americans do. So they go to the doctor when they need it, many Americans can't afford to.
So once again, people in countries with government run health insurance live longer than people in private pay life insurance. Even countries as close alike in almost all other aspects like the US and Canada.