I think you've been reading too much left wing propaganda. Here's your black block. Note the guy in the middle of the "No blood for oil" sign. You think maybe he has relatives in Iraq? Or maybe just out recruiting new terrorists? Or both?
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Look at these filthy Communists:
cjhsa
From what I understand at least what I saw in the papers and heard on the news was that most of the signs were Anti-Bush not anti-American. As for the crazies there are always some at every demonstration who come to protest other causes. When millions of people the estimate was 7 million around the world come out to protest there must be a good reason. I don't remember the ratio however there is a substantial multiple that can be applied of people who agree with the protesters who do not come out to demonstrate.
There were 200,000 protesters in San Francisco. Compare that to the half million or so who come out for the Gay Pride Parade, I'd say the protesters have a way to go.
Quote:Shouts of "poison gas" and fears of a terrorist attack may have fuelled a fatal stampede that erupted when Mace was used to break up a fight at a crowded Chicago nightclub.
Several locked exits and blocked doors - some had bags of laundry stored in front of them - added to the chaos which saw at least 21 people crushed to death and 50 more injured.
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Soze, you posted some articles on the relative ineffectiveness of the actual agents used in biological/chemical attacks. I nearly commented on it then, but this has prompted me.
You've missed the point of weapons of terror - it is to instil terror, panic, a breakdown of order causing damage, injury and death. The actual impetus may be small, but the effect can be multiplied as people react to it with fear.
Troops provoked into politically-correct response by right wing media (do you care?).
Oh, I'm in complete agreement, Mr. Stillwater. I just think that's much more applicable to enclosed spaces with many people -- office buildings, subways, nightclubs -- than to private homes, which was where the duct tape and plastic sheeting recommendation was directed.
... or, perhaps more to the point -- that duct tape and plastic sheeting will not do much to mitigate the possible systemic breakdowns, when the actual threat is much more likely to be a dirty bomb, and people don't know what to do about THAT.
I'm really not against information. Information is a good, good thing. I'm interested in ACCURATE and BALANCED information. If duct tape and plastic sheeting was one piece of a thorough explanation of all possible dangers, complete with accurate information as to its usefulness, I'd have no problem with it whatsoever. I think the duct tape and plastic sheeting gambit was meant to be a harmless sop to the masses, and failed.
damn it sozobe if you are going to continue being rational i am going to quit reading your posts.
cjhsa
Perhaps you ought to spell out how to spot an anti-American American. And any notes on what you feel ought to be done about them might be helpful too.
Apparently they're fluent speakers of French....
Well, just look for the punk dressed in black, with a black jacket spray painted "Down with capitalism", standing atop a smashed vehicle, during a peace protest. That might be a start.
What to do with them? A little sightseeing trip to Gitmo seems appropriate.
cjhsa
That's a fine and thoughtful answer, really addressing the issues with clarity of mind and in the fullness of their utter simplicity. Bravo, I say.
The latest RNC talking point --this one that cjhsa is selling--is asking the question of why the protesters did not carry signs telling Saddam Hussein to disarm. It is their sleazy way of implying the protesters -- the position of most of whom, BTW, was "let the inspections work" -- are pro-Saddam.
I'm confused. Aren't all good, freedom-loving people of the world supposed to view Saddam as an evil, irrational, insane dictator, and operate on the assumption he lies and manipulates? If so, why would anyone waste time creating a sign that urges an evil, irrational, insane dictator to do what he obviously (being the insane dictator he is) would never do?
And who would ask such a ridiculous question as those that suggest Saddam is so reasonable and honorable and pro-democratic a figure he would respond to crowds carrying signs?
That sounds awfully pro-Saddam to me...
PDiddie wrote:The latest RNC talking point --this one that cjhsa is selling--is asking the question of why the protesters did not carry signs telling Saddam Hussein to disarm. It is their sleazy way of implying the protesters -- the position of most of whom, BTW, was "let the inspections work" -- are pro-Saddam.
No, the point is not that these people are
pro-Saddam, but that they are
anti-Bush/America, and for the most part don't give a rat's ass about Iraq, the Iraqi people, or this war.
Anti-American Americans are those that promote war!
Tres
That's an unusually angry and careless post for you. To be anti-Bush is neither a sin nor a democratic failing, if one believes the man to be wrong and perhaps dangerously so. To be in vocal opposition to the Bush administration is not to be anti-American. Was it to be anti-American to be against, and speak against, Bill Clinton? And the remark that most of those protesting don't care about the Iraqui people is simply false, and you should know better than that.
Thank you for responding more diplomatically than I, blatham.
Quote:Anti-American Americans are those that promote war!
No,
anti-American Americans are those that take every opportunity to side against our nation, our leaders, our culture, and our laws. They are people like the Episcopal bishop who commented that he hates having to apologize for being American. They are people like many found right here in A2K who can produce at a moment's notice a comprehensive list of every mistake they think this country has ever made, but never seem able to name one thing we've done right. They are Americans who care more about the lives of innocent Iraqis than those of innocent Americans. They are Americans who long to live anywhere else on the planet, but who will never leave this country because they are defined by their hatred for the very country they take for granted. And they are for the most part, people who have been spared any real hardship in their lives, precisely through the grace of being American.
I believe in free speech, but I do think some speech is anti-American. That doesn't mean I would try to stop anti-American speech. I can dislike it without trying to silence it.
