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The German Election of Chancellor 2017

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jan, 2025 04:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
None of that can distract from the content of the article or what’s happening in Germany—or why.

hightor
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2025 04:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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One of my podcasters...


...rt.com...okay. Cool
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2025 05:23 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
... what’s happening in Germany—or why.
The current economic situation is not only due to economic problems, but above all to structural problems - and these cannot be solved quickly (rt does not mention the latter at all).

Over the next 20 years, the German economy is to become climate neutral. To achieve this, economic processes must be reorganised in such a way that they produce significantly less CO2.
Germany has a comparatively large amount of industry. It is possible to make this industry climate-neutral, but it is also very complex and expensive.
This is primarily due to the fact that green electricity, which is required for CO2-neutral production, is still very expensive. Green hydrogen, which is needed for production processes that require high temperatures, is also not yet available in sufficient quantities. Some companies are therefore openly considering relocating abroad instead of investing in Germany.

The influence of right-wing populist groups is also significant.
Not only does it call into question the foundations of social coexistence, but it also unsettles and weakens the economy (e.g. decline in foreign skilled specialists).
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2025 10:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It’s sad to cause people so much distress when nothing they do is going to change the deterioration of the climate.

You should live it up for the next 20 years. Probably all we have.

Don’t comply with that mess. Tell the WEF to stop flying around in private planes for 20 years & then talk to you.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2025 10:54 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
It’s sad to cause people so much distress when nothing they do is going to change the deterioration of the climate.
Probably true.
We (all of us) should have started much earlier, then it would not only have been easier but the necessary measures would not have been so expensive
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2025 12:41 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I have read through the election manifestos of Lash's favourites - AfD and BSW - regarding climate:

AfD: In its election manifesto, the AfD denies man-made climate change. The party is therefore in favour of coal-fired power plants, wants to return to nuclear power and also wants to buy Russian gas again.

BSW: The BSW wants ‘finally cheap energy again’, as its namesake Sahra Wagenknecht says - including from Russia. She is also not in favour of sanctions against Russia and China. The election manifesto talks about a climate and environmental policy ‘that takes climate change seriously, but does not get lost in haphazard activism and burn billions of euros of taxpayers’ money in the process’. To this end, the BSW also plans to revoke the ban on combustion engines and the Heating Act.

There used to be sympathy with Die Linke, so as bonus
Die Linke: the party is backing radical climate protection with a 15-point plan [and is probably trying to appeal to dissatisfied Green voters]: The party wants to ban flights that are shorter than 500 kilometres or five hours by train. New airport capacities are no longer necessary. Private jets and mega yachts longer than 60 metres are also to be banned.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2025 02:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Your leaders will be warm and you’ll continue to provide them with a lush life while older people and poorer people will freeze to death and will not be able to afford nutritious food—- and you’re focusing on stupidity that those toasty corrupt leaders have told you to focus on. JFC! Snap out of it!

The climate of the world changes cyclically influenced by the sun.

The oligarchs have convinced otherwise intelligent people to bypass even the most egregious war polluters and industry polluters and rich jet setting polluters and to bear the burden of correcting something they don’t cause. How you guys march around to your propagandist’s chaotic tune… smh

Demand Russia’s reasonable gas. Hope that Putin will still offer it. That is your only hope.

My favorites are reasonable, intelligent, and not buying the lies the Western governments are peddling.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2025 02:29 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The climate of the world changes cyclically influenced by the sun.
That's generally known.

While the solar cycle’s influence on Earth’s climate is evident, it is important to note that it is just one of many factors that affect our planet’s climate system (you certainly remember from school lessons). Besides that, the solar cycle’s effects are relatively small compared to human-induced climate change.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jan, 2025 02:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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AfD: In its election manifesto, the AfD denies man-made climate change. The party is therefore in favour of coal-fired power plants, wants to return to nuclear power and also wants to buy Russian gas again.

BSW: The BSW wants ‘finally cheap energy again’, as its namesake Sahra Wagenknecht says - including from Russia. She is also not in favour of sanctions against Russia and China. The election manifesto talks about a climate and environmental policy ‘that takes climate change seriously, but does not get lost in haphazard activism and burn billions of euros of taxpayers’ money in the process’. To this end, the BSW also plans to revoke the ban on combustion engines and the Heating Act.


This seems smart to me. It will solve solvable problems. The unsolvable will remain so.

And if you think climate problems are solvable, force govts and the big polluters to make the changes, not freezing poor people. Don’t allow oligarchs to use you to hurt your neighbors.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2025 01:26 am
Events in Vienna are forcing Germany’s bickering mainstream parties to rally together. But the AfD could yet outflank the centre.

Austria’s ‘firewall’ against the far right collapsed. Could the unthinkable happen in Germany too?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2025 04:58 am
https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1881478190130147743?s=46

Germany haplessly forwards the West’s delusional propaganda about Russia to their self-inflicted demise.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2025 05:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:


The source quoted by RT, ‘Bild’ (the largest tabloid in Germany), also reported on that Friday that the Obamas were out of marriage.

It does appear that the Obamas are headed for divorce.
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2025 07:31 am
@Lash,
Miss Information wrote:
It does appear that the Obamas are headed for divorce.

Yeah.

It appeared that there was a coup in Syria. It appeared that government surveillance drones were active over military installations in New Jersey. It appeared that the CIA sabotaged Gazprom pipelines. It appeared that MRNA vaccines were killing people. It appeared that Paul Pelosi was chummy with his hammer-wielding assailant. It appeared that operatives of Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich. It appeared that the WTC7 collapse was orchestrated by the government.

Such a remarkable record. Was there ever a bias-confirming rumor which you chose not to share on this site?
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2025 08:22 am
@Lash,
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The climate of the world changes cyclically influenced by the sun.

Can you, or one of your sources, explain how the sun increases the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2025 08:36 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:


It appeared that there was a coup in Syria
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Only an idiot doesn’t know this.

It appeared that government surveillance drones were active over military installations in New Jersey.
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I merely wanted information on who was operating these drones. You made the rest up.

It appeared that the CIA sabotaged Gazprom pipelines.
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Didn’t Germany investigate who blew up the Nordstream pipeline? And didn’t they refuse to name the saboteur? Wonder why?

It appeared that MRNA vaccines were killing people.
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MRNA vaccines killed and made severely ill a lot of people. You need to face facts.

It appeared that Paul Pelosi was chummy with his hammer-wielding assailant.
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The conflicting narratives around that event did lead to questions from me, but when the security footage was FINALLY released, I accepted to official story.

It appeared that operatives of Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich.
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My questions about Rich’s murder remain.

It appeared that the WTC7 collapse was orchestrated by the government.
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There is no acceptable reason that Bldg 7 should have collapsed into its footprint. Yes, I think the US govt was involved.


You think there’s no way the Obamas could possibly divorce?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2025 08:59 am
@Lash,
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Didn’t Germany investigate who blew up the Nordstream pipeline? And didn’t they refuse to name the saboteur? Wonder why?

Not sure who's quote it is, but I respond to it.

The Nord Stream pipelines were damaged by massive explosions in Denmark's exclusive economic zone

Danish, Swedish and German authorities launched investigations into sabotage.

The perpetrators behind the attack have not yet been conclusively identified. Numerous contradictory speculations have been voiced.

In February 2024, Sweden and Denmark closed the investigation. Sweden handed over the evidence secured there to German authorities.

More than two years after the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, it appears that the perpetrators came from Ukraine. However, the findings are based on research by journalists and the office of the Federal Prosecutor Genera is still investigating.

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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2025 09:32 am
@Lash,
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Only an idiot doesn’t know this.

Only someone acting like an idiot would describe the success of a 13 year campaign of armed revolution as a "coup". Assad was not deposed by members of his government.
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I merely wanted information on who was operating these drones. You made the rest up.

You described it as "surveillance", which is something a government would do. It's been said repeatedly that the operators of the drones remain unknown.
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And didn’t they refuse to name the saboteur? Wonder why?

So as not to embarrass Ukraine would be one guess.
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MRNA vaccines killed and made severely ill a lot of people.

In any mass vaccination there are people who appear to sicken after getting injected. You can't just look at people who are ill following vaccination and assume a causal relationship. Some are, some aren't.
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The conflicting narratives around that event did lead to questions from me...

Along with the accusations of a coverup mentioned by some of your high quality sources.
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My questions about Rich’s murder remain.

That figures.
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There is no acceptable reason that Bldg 7 should have collapsed into its footprint.

Yes there is.
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You think there’s no way the Obamas could possibly divorce?

Sure, there could be reasons. But I wouldn't jump on a few tabloid headlines and conclude that it was a done deal. So gossipy.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2025 07:26 am
An excerpt from an incredible, clear-eyed history of recent German affairs by Glenn Diesen.

[The balance of the article— https://x.com/glenn_diesen/status/1883114012772069390?s=46]

The pillars of German development were also a prison to ensure its subordination to the US. In the words of Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay, NATO’s first Secretary General, acknowledged that NATO was created to “keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down”.[4] The historical role of Britain and the US had always been to prevent Germany and Russia from getting too close as it would form a centre of power capable of challenging the dominance of the maritime hegemon at the periphery. Peacetime alliances that contain and perpetuate the weakness of adversaries also ensure the dependence and obedience of allies. Much like its French predecessor, the US appeals to cosmopolitanism and universalism to manage an international system that upholds a US national cause.

Germany in Decline

Until recently, Germany had become known as the industrial engine that was driving European economies forward, while it had seemingly learned from its history by attempting to elevate liberal democratic principles above power politics.

This era is seemingly over as Germany has transformed itself in a remarkably short period of time. Germany fails to defend its basic national interests, its economy is deindustrialising, society becomes more pessimistic, the political leadership has rediscovered enthusiasm for war, German tanks are yet again burning in Kursk, there are some signs of political violence to come, the freedom of expression is undermined, and the political upheaval opens the door to political alternatives that the government rejects.

The German economic model has been broken as Germany cut itself off from Russia as a source of cheap energy and a huge export market for manufactured goods. Washington is also increasingly pressuring Germany to sever its economic ties with China as well, resulting in a less competitive economy and excessive reliance on the US. Germany’s submissiveness was demonstrated by the deafening silence when its key energy infrastructure was destroyed by allies (the US and Ukraine), while European allies such as the Czech Republic referred to the attack as legitimate and Poland told Germany to stay quiet and apologise for having built the pipeline. As Germany deindustrialises and its economy declines, the US has responded by offering subsidies to German industries that will move across the Atlantic to the US.

At the heart of the problem is that Germany no longer sufficiently defends its national interests. As the public flees to alternative media and new political parties, the government does not know how to respond. Police appear on the doorsteps of journalists, and protesters are beaten by the police for protesting a genocide in Palestine that Germany has supported with arms shipments. German Foreign Minister felt comfortable declaring that Ukraine will continue to receive support “no matter what my German voters think”. The media is dismissive of political violence against Sahra Wagenknecht on the political left, which is to some extent justified by arguing she is actually on the political right. On the actual political right, the AfD is surging to fill the vacuum left behind by an incompetent government without a plan, and the political-media elites have responded to the surge by discussing whether this opposition party should be banned. The rise of the AfD is compared to the rise of Hitler, yet the AfD is pushing for a negotiated peace in Ukraine while the government has backed military solutions.

The EU is also acting deeply irrationally in the Ukraine War. The Europeans used to recognise that the American ambition to pull Ukraine into the orbit of NATO would result in another European war. In 2008 the Europeans attempted to oppose NATO membership for Ukraine for this reason. In the words of Angela Merkel, Moscow would interpret the attempt to bring Ukraine into NATO as “a declaration of war”. Yet, they went ahead with the promise of future membership in 2008 to appease Washington. After destabilising the Ukrainian government, the Europeans were guarantors for a unity government in Kiev in 2014, but then betrayed this agreement for stability as the US pushed for a coup instead. After a war broke out in Donbas as a direct result of the coup, the Germans and French negotiated the Minsk Peace Agreement but then later admitted it was only to buy time to arm Ukraine. When Russia invaded in 2022, the Europeans were yet again silent as the US and Britain sabotaged the Istanbul Peace Agreement and instead pushed for war.

Even as Ukraine is losing the war, the Europeans do not want to discuss restoring Ukraine’s neutrality. Instead, the incoming EU foreign policy chief argues there should not be any diplomacy with Russia as Putin is a “war criminal”, and she has defined victory as breaking up Russia into many smaller nations. Hungary has attempted to restore diplomacy and negotiations and Orban travelled to Kiev, Moscow and Beijing. The EU responded by punishing Hungary. Subsequently, the EU has limited itself to the unachievable objective of defeating the world’s largest nuclear power and a vital trading partner, while rejecting any diplomatic solutions.

Resolving the problems of Germany and the EU requires some reflection on the European security architecture that was built over the past 30 years. The decision to redivide Europe and incrementally move these dividing lines to the East was a recipe for collective hegemony – not peace or stability. In the words of President Bill Clinton in January 1994, we cannot afford “to draw a new line between East and West that could create a self-fulfilling prophecy of future confrontation”.[5] Expanding NATO triggered a new Cold War over where the new dividing lines should be drawn in Europe. This has nothing to do with liberal democracy, and everything to do with advancing a unipolar world order that has now come to an end. Continuing down this path ensures that Europe will transition from a subject of security to an object of security. Reversing the path to irrelevance requires admitting the mistakes made over the past 30 years that were celebrated as virtuous politics. Without any correction, the EU will tear itself apart and Germany will continue declining in relevance.

A Nationalist Backlash to Come?

The failure to defend national interests leaves a vacuum for nationalist political forces. Nationalism can be a movement for national liberation, sovereignty, freedom and prosperity in the spirit of Johann Gottfried Herder. However, times of crisis can also produce uglier forms of nationalism. Either way, a political correction (or over-correction) will eventually come.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2025 07:41 am
@Lash,
This "view from Russia" (aka RT) is not surprising.

Surprising, however, is in my opinion that Diesen obviously follows the Nazi interpretation of Herder's concept of the nation, which reinterpreted and instrumentalised his ideas on national character in order to spread Nazi ideology among the former educated middle classes.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2025 07:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
When the West suppresses and punishes ideas it doesn’t like, most people read several other sources. Many journalists who refuse to carry water for the West are welcome at RT—& other outlets.

The West demonizes those outlets and convinces a certain segment of society not to read those perspectives—I wonder how they control you all so effortlessly. Why are you afraid to read these opinions? Why do you always feel the need to point out where these articles are published? Is your online behavior being monitored? What are you afraid of?

Allowing the West to control your reading and thinking is mind control. At least make them hook you up to some electrodes for that, Walter. Don’t make it so easy for them.😂
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