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Men: shall we be stehpinklers, or sitzpinklers?

 
 
Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 04:41 pm
Thursday brought an advance in the cause of standing up to pee. A judge in the German city of Duesseldorf ruled in favor of a man suing his landlord for a full refund of his security deposit, which had been partially withheld because the marble floor of the tenant's bathroom had been damaged by uric acid, presumably from the errant urine of an upright person relieving himself.

"Someone who still practices this previously dominant custom is regularly confronted with significant disputes, particularly with female cohabitants," Judge Stefan Hank observed, according to AFP. "However normally he must not reckon with damage to the marble floor of a bathroom or guest toilet."

"Despite the increasing domestication of men in this area, urinating while standing up is indeed still common practice," Hank added.

Why, you might ask, is the judge referring to men urinating while standing up as a fading social phenomenon—a "previously dominant custom" undermined by the "increasing domestication of men?"

The dispute in Duesseldorf is actually part of a long-running debate in Germany over whether men should be encouraged to sit down when urinating. The controversy pits stehpinklers (men who stand up to pee) against sitzpinklers (men who sit down), and it has taken some bizarre twists over the years. In 2004, for example, The Telegraph reported that sitzpinkler had become a synonym for "wimp," and that a company had invented a gadget that attached to toilets and scolded stehpinklers when they lifted the seat. One admonition, in a voice mimicking that of former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, declared, "Hey, stand-peeing is not allowed here and will be punished with fines, so if you don't want any trouble, you'd best sit down." Millions of the devices had been sold in German supermarkets.

As has been the case with similar campaigns in countries ranging from Sweden to Taiwan, proponents of seated male urination in Germany typically cite its hygienic and health benefits. The University of Chicago law professor Mary Anne Case has elaborated on the argument:

[E]fforts to encourage men to adopt urination methods associated in the western world with women have also been seen as threats to masculinity. Feminists in Germany have been urging men to accustom themselves to urinate while sitting on a toilet seat by posting signs in restrooms with the imperative “Hier wird sitzend gepinkelt” (Here one pees sitting down) and by explaining that such a practice would be more sanitary and create less work for those responsible for cleaning toilets, who are most often women. While some men have taken pride in accommodating this demand, others have vehemently resisted, going on talk shows, publishing editorials and cartoons, and forming Facebook groups of “Stehpinkler” (“Those who pee standing up”). So vehement was the resistance that academic Klaus Schwerma, a proponent of Sitzpinkeln, could write an entire critical book entitled “Stehpinkeln—Die Letzte Bastion der Maennlichkeit?” (Peeing Standing Up—the Last Bastion of Masculinity?).
Case herself is on a toilet crusade, but of a different sort than that of the good landlord from Duesseldorf. In a 2010 essay, she explored the benefits and drawbacks of abolishing "the laws of urinary segregation" in public restrooms, which, she observed, are "among the very few sex-segregated spaces remaining" in the United States.

"Urinals lead restrooms equal in square footage to offer more excreting opportunities to men than to women," she explained, causing longer lines for women's bathrooms and other inequities. "When such features as fainting couches, full length mirrors, and vanities are added—as they sometimes are—to women’s but not to men’s rooms, the ratio of excreting opportunities given equal square footage gets even worse for women." Case, for her part, endorsed the model of the single-user, unisex airplane toilet for public places. She didn't address excreting opportunities in the privacy of one's home. That, after all, is a matter best left up to the excretor and his or her family—and the German courts.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/a-victory-for-the-right-to-pee-standing-up/384754/
 
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 09:07 pm
@edgarblythe,
There's an organization in Japan that tries to recruit more men to sit down to pee. About 30% are said to already do so. At home, I pee in the sink or the shower. Problem solved and saves water.
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 09:15 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe's busibody source wrote:

"Urinals lead restrooms equal in square footage to offer more excreting opportunities to men than to women," she explained, causing longer lines for women's bathrooms and other inequities. "When such features as fainting couches, full length mirrors, and vanities are added—as they sometimes are—to women’s but not to men’s rooms, the ratio of excreting opportunities given equal square footage gets even worse for women."


I think we now know what the female equivalent of a man trying to regulate women's access to birth-control is.

It ain't pretty!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 12:19 am
@edgarblythe,
I've changed my signature line when the ruling was published.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 12:45 am
I have had to sit while urinating for a while now. Ever since my doctor told me not to lift anything heavy.
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 02:17 am
Don't you men know that's why women go out and buy those little U-shaped rugs that go around the commode?

It's for the men folk. Then we just toss it in the washer when he ain't lookin'

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 05:21 am
It's okay to stand up, just lift the tip enough to keep it out of the water (the water's cold).
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 06:12 am
@edgarblythe,
Yeah, and it's deep, too.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 06:41 am
Since most German still pee standing at home ("Stehpinkler"), detailed signs for doing it sitting ("Sitzpinkler") are always welcome

http://i58.tinypic.com/2nqwmt2.jpg

But when we men are in a pub or restaurant, and use the urinal there, we show the German virtue of waste separation:

http://i59.tinypic.com/34y2wpk.jpg
beer/wine/alcohol free/miscellaneous
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 06:53 am
Why limit this thread to men? I've seen women pee while standing. It's perfectly doable... :-)
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 06:55 am
@Olivier5,
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 06:56 am
@Olivier5,
But I have no control over the author of the article I quoted.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 07:05 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Why limit this thread to men? I've seen women pee while standing.
I have that seen, too.
But since the 70's, they got a kind of swing-door in the French bar's toilets Wink
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 07:21 am
@edgarblythe,
You wrote the title of the thread though.

I vote for women peeing standing up. That would be a great leak... err leap forward towards erasing outdated gender roles.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 08:05 am
@Olivier5,
Okay, I admit to being a woman hater. No women allowed in this thread.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 08:23 am
I think that a man should always be erect whilst having a tinkle.

It adds a bit of derring-do to the occasion, I find.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 08:28 am
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:

I think that a man should always be erect whilst having a tinkle.


That has to worst suggestion I've read in a long time. Not only does it add a scatter gun effect, it's bloody hard work using all the muscles, and it never fully empties the bladder. That's why we wake up with the horn, it's so we don't wee the bed.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 08:44 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry, I was talking about position, not condition.

I once tried peeing with the condition and had to open the little top window.
It made my outdoor Jasmine die back.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 09:27 am
@Lordyaswas,
Fair enough, if I was sitting I couldn't against the wall and study the picture hanging on the wall.
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 09:33 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Yeah, and it's deep, too.


Thanks Carl.
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