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Equalization of funding is desirable for Texas public school

 
 
hyper426
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2005 02:34 pm
snpchrisa08 wrote:
u suck you dumb*** dont ever mess with me man i drink guiness im irish!!!!!!!!!


I agree with Diddie. Question, are you some teenager who lives in a strict household, and are trying to impress some1? Cuz it ain't workin'
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Spastic
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 09:30 am
Hey, I know Chris, in fact, I was sitting right next to him when he made that post, he was jsut trying to mess with you guys, but if you would still like to make comments, have fun, they are rpetty entertaining to read...for the both of us...I'm so high right now...
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snpchrisa08
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 09:35 am
PDiddie wrote:


Actually I don't 'hear' this site at all. Never have heard a word, in all the time I have been here.

Is it a man's voice or a woman's you hear?


if you cant hear the website open your ears or get a hearing aid moron!!!
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hyper426
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2005 01:13 pm
snpchrisa08 wrote:
PDiddie wrote:


Actually I don't 'hear' this site at all. Never have heard a word, in all the time I have been here.

Is it a man's voice or a woman's you hear?


if you cant hear the website open your ears or get a hearing aid moron!!!


Rolling Eyes Duh...Nobody can "hear" this site, because we are writing on it, not speaking it. To hear is to listen, and you can't listen to words that are written and not spoken.

Anyways, can we get off of your pre-menstral bull-crap, and back on topic...this is supposed to be an enlightening post, where people bring RELEVANT ideas to the site, and we discuss them. If you want to jack around, go to your room....and close the door. Confused
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jayb06
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 07:52 pm
Hi I have a debate in 2 days and I have to finish my case tonight because I have a basketbell game tomorrow so if anybody could help me on this topic Id apreciate it.
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prestochango
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 10:03 pm
alright so anyways to get back on topic....

Aff- i suggest the Meritocracy value and since it's UIL they're gonna be a lot of mommy judges out there who dont get big talk so if you lose with this value try just doing justice and seeing how it goes. If this was TFA then meritocracy would be best and you'd have to argue for the equal this equal that stuff.

Neg- Basically point out that money doesnt mean success. like someone said about washington D.C. you can also say about Housten ISD and big citys like that. HISD has over 6k per kid and over 1.3billion in revenue and expedentures yet they have low test scores and passing. also when they acquire more propterty taxes the state takes away some of there funding so even though HISD is taxing more they're recieving the same cause they're new income is offsetting what is lost by the state.

umm as far as value and value criterion for the neg idk what would be best something constitutional would be nice
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 11:03 pm
Welcome, jay and presto, to A2K.

Everyone: Let us all know how your contests go. Share your successes.
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hyper426
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 12:42 pm
Yes, welcome, please give your perspective, but KEEP IT CLEAN! Thank you Laughing

PDiddie, where did you get that signiture? What is it referring to? I like it.
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blazeg189
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 02:26 pm
prestochango wrote:
Aff- i suggest the Meritocracy value and since it's UIL they're gonna be a lot of mommy judges out there who dont get big talk so if you lose with this value try just doing justice and seeing how it goes. If this was TFA then meritocracy would be best and you'd have to argue for the equal this equal that stuff.


wouldnt a meritocracy work better for the negative? because a meritocracy is a system in which advancement is based on individual ability or achievement. so if one in this system were to not make very much money to pay taxes with and just takes money that they didnt work for, wouldnt that violate such a system?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 02:50 pm
Welcome to A2K, blazeg.

(Aside: This thread has more first-posters than any I have ever seen.)

hyper426 wrote:
Yes, welcome, please give your perspective, but KEEP IT CLEAN! Thank you Laughing

PDiddie, where did you get that signiture? What is it referring to? I like it.


Oh, I found it somewhere, don't remember now, hyper.

I use it to refer to the Iraquagmire (patriotism being the last refuge of scoundrels and all). Of course when Zinn spoke those words twelve years ago we had completed Gulf War I and Bush the Elder had been defeated by Clinton. So the context was considerably different.

(Google Howard Zinn and you'll find a lot you weren't aware of.)
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prestochango
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 03:27 pm
blazeg189 wrote:

wouldnt a meritocracy work better for the negative? because a meritocracy is a system in which advancement is based on individual ability or achievement. so if one in this system were to not make very much money to pay taxes with and just takes money that they didnt work for, wouldnt that violate such a system?


If students paid the tax then yes. if education as equal no matter where you went and the teachers were paid the same anywhere and all kids got however much money per capita then the only way to succeed would be through individual acheivment not so much how much money you haev to start off with.

In the system we have now if you're parents have money and live in a nice area then your school system is nicer and you get a better education

(thats the AFF side of things)

For neg im argueing that it's not how much your teacher is getting paid that's important but rather your social upbringing that determines success)
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blazeg189
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 06:43 pm
prestochango wrote:
If students paid the tax then yes. if education as equal no matter where you went and the teachers were paid the same anywhere and all kids got however much money per capita then the only way to succeed would be through individual acheivment not so much how much money you haev to start off with.

In the system we have now if you're parents have money and live in a nice area then your school system is nicer and you get a better education

(thats the AFF side of things)

For neg im argueing that it's not how much your teacher is getting paid that's important but rather your social upbringing that determines success)


but the students' parents pay for it, who worked hard for their own money, who wants their kids to get it, not someone else's. and we're not debating about the equality of education, it's the equality of funding.

but funding does more than just pay for teachers, it also pays for suplies, buildings, ect. and it's not just the teacher that educates one, its where one is brought up, as you said. and if everyone is brought up with equal supplies and buildings, then wouldnt everyone have equal success?
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joshyoung
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 07:55 pm
hey im new to debate and am having some trouble trying to find values and criteria on this subject
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 08:23 pm
Page back through this thread for some of what you're looking for, josh.

And welcome to A2K.
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blazeg189
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 08:49 pm
can anybody help me find some stats on this topic because i cant find any research. ANY help would be greatly appreciated.
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prestochango
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 08:59 pm
blazeg189 wrote:


but funding does more than just pay for teachers, it also pays for suplies, buildings, ect. and it's not just the teacher that educates one, its where one is brought up, as you said. and if everyone is brought up with equal supplies and buildings, then wouldnt everyone have equal success?


kinda sorta. if you used that against me in a debate id read this
http://www.houstonisd.org/vgn/images/portal/cit_7634/22560382004FactFigures.pdf
pg 8 talks about how in the houston independent school disctrict over 1billino dollars is spent on salarys and 160million spent on private contracts. 22mill or so goes to books and materials so very little of that taxpayer money is going to what you mentioned above. and shows why i used the teachers as my example

and no if you have everyone brought up with the same standard building and materials the kids would still be left with there home upbringing, personal ambition and individual intellegiance to succeed

blazeg189 wrote:

but the students' parents pay for it, who worked hard for their own money, who wants their kids to get it, not someone else's. and we're not debating about the equality of education, it's the equality of funding.


The whole point of the resolution is to try and make education equal. If money wasnt needed to teach someone then we wouldnt have a debate at all.the neg is trying to argue that money isn't everything when teaching someone and that with equality of funding it won't do any good cause it's the qualitys of a person that really matter.

The aff is trying to say the best and most effective way to teach someone is to have the best possible and that it's only fair that every student has the same resources to draw that education from just like any other student no matter where they live. whether the resources are teachers,materials or whatever.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 09:00 pm
Excellent, presto. Very impressive.
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prestochango
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 09:24 pm
PDiddie wrote:
Excellent, presto. Very impressive.


thanks i've only debated for two rounds and one wasnt even my case and both were neg. It'll be interesting going aff and it's gonna be hard to do since i can poke so many holes in my own arguements. I like this case more and more lol

Speaking of that does anyone have any ideas for contentions on AFF and Value's and Value criterions for neg?
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blazeg189
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 09:40 pm
hey presto, do you go to school in houston?
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prestochango
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 09:46 pm
blazeg189 wrote:
hey presto, do you go to school in houston?


nope, i go to school in mansfield south of arlington which is inbetween dallas and fortworth
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