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woiyo wrote:

Now if in the course of humanties, social studies, civics or whatever, a discussion of homosexuality were to occur that described the lifestyle BUT NOT PROMOTE it, I would accept that type of study/book for my child in public school.

that seems fair enough to me, woiyo. you probably could have saved yourself all the flaming if you'd stated it in that way sooner on thread. Shocked

the problem though, is who is to decide what actually "promotes" the homosexual lifestyle; or "promotes" any thing or any lifestyle, for that matter.

so far, between the far right and the far left, no matter what is said or done, somebody is gonna be offended.

which is why yes, it's crucial that parents raise their children instilling the values (god, i hate that word now) that they believe to be the correct ones. that's all any parent can really do, anyway.

other wise, we wind up with what we're doing on this thread. i mean, does it really make sense to ban a terrific book like tom sawyer due to one or two racial antiqueties? i'd think that it would provide an excellent opportunity to discuss the topic with the kids.

and really, woiyo, at the end of the day, i'm one of those folks that really believes that people are not "influenced" into becoming gay. seems like you either are or you aren't.

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Probably the only reason I am hetero is because I watched "Father Knows Best" when I was a a mere prat of a child, I am sure it was the promotion of "normalcy" that influenced my latent tendencies.

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dyslexia wrote:

Probably the only reason I am hetero is because I watched "Father Knows Best" when I was a a mere prat of a child, I am sure it was the promotion of "normalcy" that influenced my latent tendencies.

true dys. one cannot overlook the subliminal message of hetro normality inherent in the show title, "leave it to beaver"...

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The sad thing is that we have moved from a excessive liberal period to an excessive conservitive one. If the liberials could begin to see the sense in a father wanting to protect his children, or if consertives could see the results of the losses of liberty things might be different.

As it is there is no attempt for either side to see the other. I think that it's just too much fun to hate and too hard to try to see an opposing viewpoint.

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owl wrote:

I think that it's just too much fun to hate and too hard to try to see an opposing viewpoint.

I would disagree. Very Happy

This is a debate forum; I expect people to support their arguments. Too often, however, the debate breaks down into name-calling. (Many, both liberal and conservative, are guilty of this.)

We have asked woiyo to clarify his arguments; when he does so we will be happy to continue the discussion.

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Heterosexuality is not normal. Bi-sexuality is the norm.

As far as women go, given the right circumstances, virtually any one of us will share each other. In any environment in which men are denied women, they will turn to other men.

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DimestoreDiva wrote:

Heterosexuality is not normal. Bi-sexuality is the norm.

As far as women go, given the right circumstances, virtually any one of us will share each other. In any environment in which men are denied women, they will turn to other men.

Even if your premise is true, that does not make it "normal."

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DimestoreDiva wrote:

Heterosexuality is not normal. Bi-sexuality is the norm.

Not if you go by the normal definition of the word "normal".

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okay. so now it's down to "any port in a storm"...

guess ya just gotta ... oh, never mind... i'm a musician, what's gonna shock me?
Rolling Eyes

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Ticomaya wrote:

DimestoreDiva wrote:
Heterosexuality is not normal. Bi-sexuality is the norm.

As far as women go, given the right circumstances, virtually any one of us will share each other. In any environment in which men are denied women, they will turn to other men.

Even if your premise is true, that does not make it "normal."

It does make it normal. Bi-sexuality is the norm.

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any kind of sexuality is icky, people that "do it" should be burned at the stake (if they enjoy doing it) we are human beings not some kind of animal!

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DimestoreDiva wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
DimestoreDiva wrote:
Heterosexuality is not normal. Bi-sexuality is the norm.

As far as women go, given the right circumstances, virtually any one of us will share each other. In any environment in which men are denied women, they will turn to other men.

Even if your premise is true, that does not make it "normal."

It does make it normal. Bi-sexuality is the norm.

Feel free to support that claim with facts.

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Do something to get yourself imnprisoned and you can find out first-hand. Sexual repression is what keeps most people from acting out their true desires.

BTW young people (ones I know anyway) nconsider bi-sexuality to be the norm. I know quite a few gay men who would never think of having sex with a woman. consider tham abnormal. All this heterosexcual monogamy BS is drilled into us by religion and culture. It is not our true nature.

BTW if it is your opinion that heterosexuality is the norm, you might try backing it up with a few facts.

I base my opinions of woman's sexuality based on my own experience. It is a fact that men will resort to
sex with each other when women are not available.

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Hey, dimestoreDiva, I think you need to buy a dictionary.

Normal--adj.
Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical

There, does that help?

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kickycan wrote:

Hey, dimestoreDiva, I think you need to buy a dictionary.

Normal--adj.
Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical

There, does that help?

No, I don't need a dictionary, you need to improve your reading skills.

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No, seriously. Words have definitions for a reason. Just because it would happen in jail doesn't mean it's the norm. The norm is heterosexuality. Look out your window. They're everywhere!

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DimestoreDiva wrote:

Do something to get yourself imnprisoned and you can find out first-hand. Sexual repression is what keeps most people from acting out their true desires.

I think much of what goes on in prisons does not quite fit the nomer "acting out their true desires" - well, except for the ones doing the raping, perhaps.

(With just one prisoner per cell, we have a lot less of that here in Holland, luckily. In fact, one drug trafficker last year tried to appeal against his impending extradition to the US by evoking the dangers of rape and subsequent AIDS infection he would face in American prison.)

Anyway, not the best example you could have found. Personally I think bisexuality is natural enough, but that doesnt make it the norm. Just one of the different sexual orientations mankind comes with.

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Say, does anyone know where Harper went? Havent seen any posts lately.

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kickycan wrote:

No, seriously. Words have definitions for a reason. Just because it would happen in jail doesn't mean it's the norm. The norm is heterosexuality. Look out your window. They're everywhere!

That is only your opinion and you don't offer any evidence to support. Look out your window???????????????????

You can't judge someone's sexial preference by looking out your window. Besides, I am not talking exclusively about the repressed culture of the US, I am talking about basic human nature. Been years since I studied sociology but I remember studying about cultures who in which homo-sexuality was accepted and bi-sexuality the norm. Kinsey has a scale of zero to seven to gauge relative sexuality, zero being an exclusive heterosexual, seven being an exclusive homosexual. Therefore, 1-6 are all, to some degree, bi-sexual.

My brief research couldn't find a population breakdown but the Kinsey scale implicitly posits that most are bi. Of course, we are depending on people being honest when surveyed. Obviously, many people won't admit that they harbor homosexual tendencies. Considering there are legions of homophobes, and considering that most of those have repressed homosexual feelings, there is a lot more to look at than just what is out your window.

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