'Dig a hole and dump them in it.'

Can't see how you can achieve it without a total isolation from the outside world

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the prince wrote:

Can't see how you can achieve it without a total isolation from the outside world

You did not even come close to addressing/answering the question.

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woiyo wrote:

the prince wrote:
Can't see how you can achieve it without a total isolation from the outside world

You did not even come close to addressing/answering the question.

Neither did you (for the question I asked a couple of pages ago)

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Great question. Here is your answer which I have stated in my prior posts which you ignored.

NO RELIGIOUS, PRO-HOMOSEXUAL, ANTI_HOMOSEXUAL or PORNOGRAPHY BOOKS IN PUBLIC SCHOOL.

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woiyo- No religious books or pornography I can understand. But what IS your problem with kids learning about people who live in their community, some of whom they may know?

Do you think that if the kids aren't exposed to the idea that gay people are part of the overall population, that those folks will go away? Like if we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist?

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woiyo,

Your kids aren't the only ones going to the school. If you want total control of what they encounter then you need to home school. If you're using public education then you've got to make some compromises.

I do want my kids exposed to (age appropriate) controversial material. It will make them think and ask questions. I want them prepare to meet people different from them in their lives.

Schools are in a difficult place, between what the parents want their kids to know/learn and what society needs the kids to know/learn. "No Child Left Behind" is an example of outsiders interfering with local schools.

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And you still haven't given an example of what you consider a "pro-homosexual" book.

What about scholarly treatments of the Bible/Koran/etc.?

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

woiyo- No religious books or pornography I can understand. But what IS your problem with kids learning about people who live in their community, some of whom they may know?

Do you think that if the kids aren't exposed to the idea that gay people are part of the overall population, that those folks will go away? Like if we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist?

Thank you for your questions.

The article, and the basis of the post, referenced books that PROMOTED homosexual lifestyles. That is what I object to.

Now if in the course of humanties, social studies, civics or whatever, a discussion of homosexuality were to occur that described the lifestyle BUT NOT PROMOTE it, I would accept that type of study/book for my child in public school.

The hysteria from some on this post is typical of the pro-homosexual community.

If I am NOT staying on point with this post, let me know.

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DrewDad wrote:

woiyo,

Your kids aren't the only ones going to the school. If you want total control of what they encounter then you need to home school. If you're using public education then you've got to make some compromises.

I do want my kids exposed to (age appropriate) controversial material. It will make them think and ask questions. I want them prepare to meet people different from them in their lives.

Schools are in a difficult place, between what the parents want their kids to know/learn and what society needs the kids to know/learn. "No Child Left Behind" is an example of outsiders interfering with local schools.

You are off the point of the post. Do you want your public school PROMOTING HOMOSEXUALITY?

Let review the major point of the article.

"Bush is interested in Allen's opinions because Allen is an elected Republican representative in the Alabama state legislature. He is Bush's base. Last week, Bush's base introduced a bill that would ban the use of state funds to purchase any books or other materials that "promote homosexuality". Allen does not want taxpayers' money to support "positive depictions of homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle". That's why Tennessee Williams and Alice Walker have got to go.

I ask Allen what prompted this bill. Was one of his children exposed to something in school that he considered inappropriate?"

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woiyo wrote:

Great question. Here is your answer which I have stated in my prior posts which you ignored.

NO RELIGIOUS, PRO-HOMOSEXUAL, ANTI_HOMOSEXUAL or PORNOGRAPHY BOOKS IN PUBLIC SCHOOL.

Add Hetereosexuality - and then you have answered my question

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woiyo wrote:

The article, and the basis of the post, referenced books that PROMOTED homosexual lifestyles. That is what I object to.

woiyo,

One of the problems of this legislation is that the language is so vague. You still have not defined what you mean by "a book that promotes homosexual lifestyles."

Is I'm OK, You're OK too edgy?

Please give some more specifics on how you would identify a book that promotes homosexuality.

PleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePlease
PleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePlease

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BTW,

If you can't provide some specifics then you are the one that comes off sounding bigoted and hysterical.

"The homos are coming! The homos are coming!"

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I just hope they can erradicate any books that reference, and therefore "promote" to those damn Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Natives, Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, Buddhists.....
Let's keep the bread white, and the neighborhood "clean". If we ban these books, outlaw portrayals in the media, then the problem will go away.

Whew! Such a simple solution.
I'm brilliant!

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If the term PROMOTE HOMOSEXUALITY is too vague, then the problem lie with you.

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woiyo wrote:

Phoenix32890 wrote:
woiyo- No religious books or pornography I can understand. But what IS your problem with kids learning about people who live in their community, some of whom they may know?

Do you think that if the kids aren't exposed to the idea that gay people are part of the overall population, that those folks will go away? Like if we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist?

Thank you for your questions.

The article, and the basis of the post, referenced books that PROMOTED homosexual lifestyles. That is what I object to.
.

Lol - have you read what stuff they are trying to proscribe?

I thought not - they seem to have no idea.

Here is some of the discusssion quoted in the article:

"But more than one gay playwright is at a stake here. Allen claims he is acting to "encourage and protect our culture". Does "our culture" include Shakespeare? I ask Allen if he would insist that copies of Shakespeare's sonnets be removed from all public libraries. I point out to him that Romeo and Juliet was originally performed by an all-male cast, and that in Shakespeare's lifetime actors and audiences at the public theatres were all accused of being "sodomites". When Romeo wished he "was a glove upon that hand", the cheek that he fantasised about kissing was a male cheek. Next March the Alabama Shakespeare festival will be performing a new production of As You Like It, and its famous scene of a man wooing another man. The Alabama Shakespeare Festival is also the State Theatre of Alabama. Would Allen's bill cut off state funding for Shakespeare?

"Well," he begins, after a pause, "the current draft of the bill does not address how that is going to be handled. I expect details like that to be worked out at the committee stage. Literature like Shakespeare and Hammet [sic] could be left alone." Could be. Not "would be". In any case, he says, "you could tone it down". That way, if you're not paying real close attention, even a college graduate like Allen himself "could easily miss" what was going on, the "subtle" innuendoes and all."

Please justify your comment that the redneck is trying to get rid of literature that "promotes" a gay lifestyle and is right to do so.

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woiyo- I think that you need to make the distinction between a book DESCRIBING a gay lifestyle, as opposed to PROMOTING it.

Quote:

Last week, Bush's base introduced a bill that would ban the use of state funds to purchase any books or other materials that "promote homosexuality". Allen does not want taxpayers' money to support "positive depictions of homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle". That's why Tennessee Williams and Alice Walker have got to go.

I have to admit that I am not familiar with Alice Walker's work. But I do know Tennessee Williams. Do YOU think that Williams is inappropriate for an older high school student?

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DrewDad wrote:

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"The homos are coming! The homos are coming!"

Where ? Where ? If a homo is coming somewhere I want to be there Twisted Evil

No point discussing this any further. As I said before, woiyo needs to either change his location or get there.

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Problem seems to lie squarely with you - and the legislator - here, Woiyo.

I assert that neither of you has the remotest idea of what exactly you are against.

Is it Shakespeare for instance?

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woiyo
Do you want your child raised and grow up in a cocoon or a glass bubble? Children must grow up in the real world so they can cope with life as it is. Not how you perceive it should be.
As to moral values,as a parent, it is up to you to instill those values and to teach them right and wrong and not expect the state or school to do it through censorship.

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woiyo wrote:

You are off the point of the post. Do you want your public school PROMOTING HOMOSEXUALITY?

Go ahead. My kids will have the critical thinking skills to evaluate the world and make decisions for themselves.

Do you want schools PROMOTING HETEROSEXUALITY? I thought not... Grow 'em in a barrel for 18 years and then expect them to be able to make their way in the world. Rolling Eyes

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