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The Trouble With Hillary

 
 
panzade
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 01:32 pm
Thanks again Tico. As usual, I actually learn something from your posts.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 01:37 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
At the risk of exposing my complete lack of knowledge of Texas politics, it appears from this link that the Texas Lieutenant Governor's primary role is legislative, not executive. Is this link wrong?

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I wouldn't say wrong, just, um, academic. It doesn't really capture the flavor of Texas politics.

For example, we don't really pass laws, here; we ammend our state constitution.

Kinda crazy, I know.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 01:51 pm
McGentrix wrote:
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Appearing at Tufts University, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D.-N.Y.) [said] "No one can read the New Testament of our Bible without recognizing that Jesus had a lot more to say about how we treat the poor than most of the issues that were talked about in this election".

I believe she's right.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 02:00 pm
I am surprised by her sudden use of scripture. Especially after the outcry from the left abhorring all things Christian...

Maybe some of the Dems received the message about christian morals being an important role in a candidates gravitas... Especially if they want to win in the "fly-over" states.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 02:04 pm
McGentrix wrote:
I am surprised by her sudden use of scripture. Especially after the outcry from the left abhorring all things Christian...


Not over all things Christian. Just the intolerance crap. Which I think is rather her point.
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 02:10 pm
McGentrix wrote:
I am surprised by her sudden use of scripture. Especially after the outcry from the left abhorring all things Christian...


Too sweeping a statement. Certainly the seperation of church and state is a keynote for liberals but I don't think they abhor all things Christian.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 02:54 pm
Interesting perspectives. Hillary has always seemed like one of the politicians who seemed to put the most into practicing her Christian faith. Her interest in education and health seemed to be indicators of her faith in action.

Of course, it's not an evangelical kind of Christianity - so it's more about practicing your faith vs professing it.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 02:59 pm
In an upcoming edition of the print version of the National Review. This little quote appears following a visit from the New York Senator to one of her former places of residence - Little Rock Arkansas.

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"I'm here spending time at my husband's library," she told the Lamp when we caught up with her after a Sunday camp meeting, "and of course, I always take time to worship God in as evangelical a way as is feasible, given time and location constraints. As you know, I consider myself an evangelical Christian, really a Christian conservative, if you want to know the truth, so it's nice to be 'home' again in the South, which I really consider my quote-unquote home even though I live in New York most of the time. Well, Washington, D.C., most of the time, actually, but if I'm not there I'm in New York, of course, but always thinking about being here, in the South, my spiritual home, where I shared so many wonderful evangelical . . . moments and . . . events. Can you read that back to me?"


source
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:02 pm
Maybe I better find out what Americans consider the term evangelical to mean. (don't want to get into a debate where it turns out we're on the same side of things but using different language)
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:03 pm
That sounds like satire.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:07 pm
Care to re-address that "aborring all things Christian" comment McG?
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:15 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Maybe I better find out what Americans consider the term evangelical to mean. (don't want to get into a debate where it turns out we're on the same side of things but using different language)


Quote below from here:

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First, the term "evangelical." The American population cannot have more than one or two percent true evangelicals--that is, Christians who actively work to bring converts to their faith. There may be larger numbers who attend churches where the term "evangelical" is used approvingly or that have the word "evangelical" in their formal denomination name, such as the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. But the number of true evangelicals, i.e., those who evangelize, simply is not that great. Nor are evangelicals necessarily political conservatives. Jimmy Carter is a true evangelical, having gone on missionary trips and knocked on doors, and is also a political liberal. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is centrist; it does not, for example, maintain that the Bible is inerrant. Yes, true evangelicals tend toward political conservatism, especially in the South. But you can find evangelicals who are pacifists, who strongly oppose the death penalty, who believe that Christians must not serve in government positions, and who hold other beliefs that don't fit the standard caricature of the "Christian right."


On the other hand, the always interesting beliefnet.com, in its section of discussion boards, reserves the Evagelical Christian section for "Christians who believe that the Bible is literally true, inerrant, and the only authority for Christian faith, and that that accepting Jesus Christ as one's only Lord is the only way to salvation" - which however still should not necessarily determine one's partisan preference (tho its likely to).
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:24 pm
well, looking at the source of what McG quoted - and reading the balance of that - I feel pretty comfortable with what I said before.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:27 pm
So it's OK for Hillary to practice her faith, but not OK for George Bush? I seem to remember many an arguement between the two sides over Bush beliefs and the great harm that comes from such devotion to a religion. We are no finding that Hillary shares most of the same beliefs, yet her beliefs are some how more acceptable...


Hmmmmmm....
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:28 pm
ehBeth wrote:
I feel pretty comfortable with what I said before.

What, that Hillary's is "not an evangelical kind of Christianity"? Because that's what I thought you then wondered about, whether that really held true considering the different things "evangelical" might mean. I'm no expert myself on that either, so all I could do is pass on a link and a quote ...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:37 pm
did you follow McG's link, nimh?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 03:46 pm
McG, I don't speak for anyone else's understanding of what George Bush or Hillary Rodham Clinton stand for in terms of politics or religion.

In my education and upbringing, evangelical Christians are very different critters from non-evangelicals. So to me, Bush and Rodham-Clinton are about as different/similar in their Christianity as Baptists and Greek Orthodoxy.

And yes, one is more acceptable to me personally than the other.
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 05:02 pm
I knew that you were setting up the hypocrisy target McG. I can honestly say that if Hillary professed to be guided by her faith in her foreign relations beliefs I would actively campaign against her. What her faith tells her about domestic relations... I don't know enough
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 06:15 pm
ehBeth wrote:
did you follow McG's link, nimh?

Yes I did. And? Sorry, I dont think I'm following you.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2004 06:19 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
That sounds like satire.



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The "Light the Lamp!" staff would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that Christ loves all of us equally, and that God's house is open to all, even to senators from New York, so whoever is muttering stuff and saying mean things while pretending to cough can just quit it right now.
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