@maxdancona,
Dear Max, you are still into avoiding the fact that up to the present philosophy which you conflate with magic and magical thinking, it is still the highest quest in the hierarchy of man's endeavors to know objective reality.
So, unless a scholar factor in philosophy into his science whatever, he is still without any head nor tail in his science.
And you should do the same.
And no amount of name-dropping and technical-terms-dropping makes you into any genuine thinker at all, you are still into arrogating to yourself the limelight of established scientists, who are into something serious because they have a philosophy backing up their science.
You see, no amount of socalled scientific investigation into things is worth any cognitive value, unless the investigator rests on the truth and the fact and the logic and the best thought of mankind, from since the dawn of man's conscious intelligence, that, namely:
"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."
Think about that, and stop with regurgitating media repeated popular tales of famous scientists, as though you know anything at all of genuine science from genuine scientists.
Dear readers, let us sit back and await with bated breath to witness what kind of flight Max will take to now, retreating most certainly this time to the company of goats and donkeys - no offense of course to goats and donkeys, these worthy creatures in the service of mankind.
I challenge you, dear Max, tell readers and me what you know to be the concept of philosophy, and what you know to be the concept of science, in concise, precise, simple, clear words.
And give four examples of each.
He will run away, I dare tell you, Oh readers here.
Honestly, dear readers here, I truly want to have a serious exchange with Max and all kinds of internet atheists, but they are always into flight by evasiveness and the cult of Acquired Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome.
Tell you what, dear Max, give us something from your very own personal thinking that is beyond rebutting from me, then I will thank you sincerely that you have expanded my knowledge of objective reality.
Annex
Quote:From Susmariosep:
@maxdancona,
Dear Max, glad to see you here, but let me tell you what, you are again into one of your incursions from where you will run away, when the conversation gets you into a corner where you have to do genuine thinking, instead of regurgitating your charge, that your corresponding posters are into magic and magical ideas.
See the texts in bold from me that are parts of your last message here, it is the evidence of your regular penchant in your posts.
Quote:From Max:
@Olivier5,
Galileo took an important step in the struggle of evidence based science to free itself from the confines of philosophy. And Galileo paid the price and should be respected for that. When he said "But it moves..." he was pushing back against the powerful philosophical orthodoxy of his time.
It was Newton who put the nail in the coffin of the Aristotelian philosophy. Finally experiment and observation transcended philosophical conjecture. The Philosophy of Aristotle held Physics back for more than a thousand years until Newton was able to show without question that science was far better at making useful, testable, observations about nature.
Modern physics owes a great debt to both of these men.
