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Where are you God?

 
 
Susmariosep
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jun, 2017 11:33 am
Okay, dear readers here, let me define what is existence:

Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning.

Now, do you notice that everything we know from our conscious experience to be real has a beginning?

And wherefore we reason to the existence of some entity without a beginning, which entity then we call God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

Voilà, there is the proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

And my thesis is also proven true, namely:

"I exist therefore God exists, God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning."
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jun, 2017 01:17 pm
@Susmariosep,
Susmariosep wrote:

Okay, dear readers here, let me define what is existence:

Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning.

That is an assumption that we make for practical purposes.

Tell me, what is the "real" color that you "know" of this dress:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/The_Dress_%28viral_phenomenon%29.png

Susmariosep wrote:
Now, do you notice that everything we know from our conscious experience to be real has a beginning?

How do you go from assumptions that you are making to assertions about everything that we "know" from our experience having a beginning?

Susmariosep wrote:
And wherefore we reason to the existence of some entity without a beginning, which entity then we call God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

You're making an assumption and then making a leap of logic based on this assumption. One entity without a beginning that I reason to exist is the world itself.

Susmariosep wrote:
Voilà, there is the proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

And my thesis is also proven true, namely:

"I exist therefore God exists, God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning."

You're mistaking "everything with a beginning" with "everything had a beginning." Your premise is flawed.
Susmariosep
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jun, 2017 08:48 pm
@InfraBlue,
Dear InfraBlue, please present your concept of what is existence, from your very own self personal thinking, no quoting from resources outside your very own self personal thinking, on truths, facts, logic and the best thoughts of mankind from since the dawn of man's conscious intelligence.

Here is again my concept of existence:

"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

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Susmariosep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2017 02:45 am
@InfraBlue,
Dear readers here, InfraBlue has not reacted to my last post here, which is into requiring him to present his very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

Here is again my concept of what is existence:

"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

I hope he appears eventually to present his concept of what is existence.

When he does not ever present his very own self thought out concept of what is existence, then I tell you that the man is scared to death or to non-existence, to think as to come forth with his very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

You see, that is what atheists are into all the time and everywhere, when the issue is God exists or not, they are always and everywhere into evasiveness: because they know that when they really think systematically on truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind, on the existence of God or non-existence of God, they will face God point blank face to face.

So, what do they do?

What they do is to at most fire sniper's bullets, which are all in aid of evasiveness, read that, in aid of running away.

Okay, dear InfraBlue, when you if you ever return to this thread and reply to this post, first produce your very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

Why first produce your concept of what is existence?

Because we are talking about God's existence, so you have got to have a concept of existence, otherwise you are not doing any thinking that is grounded on truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from the dawn of man's conscious intelligence.

This is my challenge to atheists here, produce your very own self thought out concept of what is existence; otherwise you are scared to death i.e. to non-existence, even though you seek to shoot sniper's bullets to my proof of God existing: all your sniper's bullets are nothing but in aid of flight, owing to your fear of inevitably facing God point blank face to face, when you do come forth with your very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

There, that is my challenge to InfraBlue and to all atheists, produce your self thought out concept of what is existence.

Dear readers here, I predict that no atheists will dare come forth to tell me and the whole of mankind, what is their very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

When they think that they are so smart with telling me that my concept of what is existence ("Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning") is an assumption, well I have news for them, PLEASE produce then your very own self thought out assumption of a concept of what from your very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

There, dear readers, let us all sit back and await with bated breath for an atheist to come forth into this thread, and present his very own self thought out concept of what is existence, err, I mean his self thought out assumption of what is his assumed concept of what is existence.
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Susmariosep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:39 pm
@InfraBlue and all atheists:

See? Dear readers here, no atheists to date have come forward to present from their very own self thought out concept of what is existence, err, what is their very own self thought out assumption of what is their assumed concept of existence.

So, to date I am correct with my prediction in call No. 1:
Quote:
Call No. 1 to InfraBlues and all atheists | Fri 30 Jun, 2017 02:45 am | https://able2know.org/topic/394567-3#post-6456119

[…]

There, that is my challenge to InfraBlue and to all atheists, produce your self thought out concept of what is existence.

Dear readers here, I predict that no atheists will dare come forth to tell me and the whole of mankind, what is their very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

When they think that they are so smart with telling me that my concept of what is existence ("Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning") is an assumption, well I have news for them, PLEASE produce then your very own self thought out assumption of a concept of what from your very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

There, dear readers, let us all sit back and await with bated breath for an atheist to come forth into this thread, and present his very own self thought out concept of what is existence, err, I mean his self thought out assumption of what is his assumed concept of what is existence.


So, dear readers here, and also addressing atheists, please come over and read my call No. 1 repeated as follows below in Annex.

In the meantime, dear InfraBlue and Oh ye atheists, let us join together to enjoy a sigh of delight with exchange of thoughts between you and yours truly here.

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!!!

This able2know.org is a most very very very nth times very good compared to forums owned and operated by atheists, because it is not into pursuing evasiveness and muddled up thinking in aid of not getting to truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from since the dawn of man's conscious intelligence.

And it is not into banning members for showing how atheists are into nothing but evasiveness and muddled up thinking, that is what has happened to me consistently with my sojourns in atheists owned and operated forums.

Moreover, this forum in effect does not ban people at all, but only imposes suspension, normally for one week - thanks a lot, dear owners and operators of able2know.org!!!!!!!!


Later.

Annex:
Call No. 2 to atheists:
Quote:
Call No. 1 to atheists | Fri 30 Jun, 2017 02:45 am | https://able2know.org/topic/394567-3#post-6456119

Dear readers here, InfraBlue has not reacted to my last post here, which is into requiring him to present his very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

Here is again my concept of what is existence:

"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

I hope he appears eventually to present his concept of what is existence.

When he does not ever present his very own self thought out concept of what is existence, then I tell you that the man is scared to death or to non-existence, to think as to come forth with his very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

You see, that is what atheists are into all the time and everywhere, when the issue is God exists or not, they are always and everywhere into evasiveness: because they know that when they really think systematically on truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind, on the existence of God or non-existence of God, they will face God point blank face to face.

So, what do they do?

What they do is to at most fire sniper's bullets, which are all in aid of evasiveness, read that, in aid of running away.

Okay, dear InfraBlue, when you if you ever return to this thread and reply to this post, first produce your very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

Why first produce your concept of what is existence?

Because we are talking about God's existence, so you have got to have a concept of existence, otherwise you are not doing any thinking that is grounded on truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from the dawn of man's conscious intelligence.

This is my challenge to atheists here, produce your very own self thought out concept of what is existence; otherwise you are scared to death i.e. to non-existence, even though you seek to shoot sniper's bullets to my proof of God existing: all your sniper's bullets are nothing but in aid of flight, owing to your fear of inevitably facing God point blank face to face, when you do come forth with your very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

There, that is my challenge to InfraBlue and to all atheists, produce your self thought out concept of what is existence.

Dear readers here, I predict that no atheists will dare come forth to tell me and the whole of mankind, what is their very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

When they think that they are so smart with telling me that my concept of what is existence ("Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning") is an assumption, well I have news for them, PLEASE produce then your very own self thought out assumption of a concept of what from your very own self thought out concept of what is existence.

There, dear readers, let us all sit back and await with bated breath for an atheist to come forth into this thread, and present his very own self thought out concept of what is existence, err, I mean his self thought out assumption of what is his assumed concept of what is existence.

InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2017 04:10 pm
@Susmariosep,
Jeez. I answered your question in my reply to your post.
susmariosep wrote:
Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning.


Me wrote:
That is an assumption that we make for practical purposes.
Susmariosep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2017 04:42 pm
@InfraBlue,
Go away, you are not connected, I ask you to produce even just your assumption of a concept of your assumed concept of what is existence.

See you are stubbornly into evasiveness.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2017 04:51 pm
@Susmariosep,
Heh.
TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:16 pm
@InfraBlue,
Susmario's responses, the single mindedness, the repetitiveness and the cadence of them reminds me of the Bible and the Koran. It was men like him that wrote those ancient passages. Obsessive, fixated, fanatical, mentally ill people created this problem (religion) and perpetuate it to this day.
Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:36 pm
@TomTomBinks,
TomTomBinks wrote:

Susmario's responses, the single mindedness, the repetitiveness and the cadence of them reminds me of the Bible and the Koran. It was men like him that wrote those ancient passages. Obsessive, fixated, fanatical, mentally ill people created this problem (religion) and perpetuate it to this day.


Damnit Tom you are gunna make the record skip.
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Susmariosep
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2017 11:10 am
Here are my concepts of existence and of God:

"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

“In concept God is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.”
_________________________


You see, dear atheist colleagues here, when you have not even just an assumed concept of what is existence and what is God, you do not grasp the fact that you are talking against God not in existence without any grounding on anything at all that is firm and permanent, it is then all evasiveness if you have some self-examination, or pure ignorance if you have no self-examination.

So, when you do not put at the top of your post your even just assumptions of the concept of existence and the concept of God, I will not read your post: because you are like a blind tourists guide who is telling his audience about what he sees, and gets away with it because his audience are also blind.


Dear readers here, from my experience, my dear atheist colleagues will now switch to repetition that they have already explained etc. etc. etc., or blah, blah, blah...

Go away, don't waste the time and labor of readers with your blah, blah, blah nth times blah, blah, blah...

Put at the top of your posts your even just assumption of your concept of existence and your concept of God, but in not more than 20 words - anything else is blah, blah, blah nth times blah, blah, blah...

Shame on you, because you are atheist that does not mean that you have no duty to yourselves and self-respect: to think on truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from since the dawn of man's intelligent conscious reason.
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Susmariosep
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2017 11:23 am
Okay, dear readers here, let us go search for God in the realm of existence, here are again my concepts of existence and of God:

"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

“In concept God is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.”
_________________________

The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence, so let us go forth into the realm of existence to seek God, with our guide the concept of God as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

Start with the nose in our face, that is a part of the realm of existence, and we will search for God Who is also a part in the realm of existence.

Our nose has a beginning so some existing entity caused it to come to existence, do you you grasp that?

To be continued.
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Susmariosep
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2017 05:27 pm
Dear atheists, no need to go the inane routine of attacking my proof as all into circular reasoning, because we are not going to be just talking in our mind, but going forth into the concrete objective realm of reality outside our mind, to look for God in the realm of existence outside of talking in our mind, God in concept as the creator cause of everything with a beginning in the concrete objective realm of existence outside of talking in our mind.

So, dear colleague atheists here, you are welcome to join in the search, even though you dare not even just think up an assumption of what is your concept of existence and your concept of God, in not more than 20 words.

But I challenge you to really use your mind to think up your even just assumption of a concept of existence and a concept of God.

Now, dear atheist colleague, Krumple, no need to hide inside your stupid dungeon of not knowing whether you exist or not, and also your stupid thinking that mankind is not even sure what kind of existence there is which we are into - stupid thinking from you: let you just examine that you are thinking with your brain and also shitting regularly with your asshole, to know that you exist.

But it is useless for me to challenge you because you insist on being stupid and not connected to reality; of course you are just playing stupid for you do everything everyone else does, except for you stupid but fake thinking and talking that you are not sure of your existence - and of course, have some regard for you papa and mama, you are not sure you came from them because you are not sure they exist at all much less for you: stupid you!

Okay, everyone, let’s go to my next post for the continuation of our search for the existence of God, or for God in the objective realm of existence outside of talking in our mind.


Quote:
Okay, dear readers here, let us go search for God in the realm of existence, here are again my concepts of existence and of God:

"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

“In concept God is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.”
_________________________

The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence, so let us go forth into the realm of existence to seek God, with our guide the concept of God as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

Start with the nose in our face, that is a part of the realm of existence, and we will search for God Who is also a part in the realm of existence.

Our nose has a beginning so some existing entity caused it to come to existence, do you you grasp that?

To be continued.

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Susmariosep
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2017 05:41 pm
Quote:
Okay, dear readers here, let us go search for God in the realm of existence, here are again my concepts of existence and of God:

"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

“In concept God is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.”
_________________________

The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence, so let us go forth into the realm of existence to seek God, with our guide the concept of God as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

Start with the nose in our face, that is a part of the realm of existence, and we will search for God Who is also a part in the realm of existence.

Our nose has a beginning so some existing entity caused it to come to existence, do you you grasp that?

To be continued.


Continuation:

Not only our nose but our whole body and also the whole existence of mankind, and also everything at all you know about have a beginning.

Now, dear atheists, you are welcome to give comment to everything has a beginning, though you don't have any even just your assumption of the concept of existence which is everything, and your concept even though only assumption of what is God.

So, dear readers here, everything with a beginning that means everything that did not exist antecedent to their beginning, has need of an entity to bring it to existence.

Why? Because antecedent to their beginning, they were not around, so how could they have come from existence by themselves as they were not around in the realm of existence.

That is why they need an entity not themselves to bring them to existence.

Next post, the objection of stupid atheists from infinite regress, or from bad faith disingenuous blah blah blah talkers.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2017 10:44 pm
Susmariosep, your mother wears combat boots.
Krumple
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2017 11:00 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Susmariosep, your mother wears combat boots.


Infra your intellect is wasted on this nutcase.
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Susmariosep
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2017 02:48 pm
"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

“In concept God is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.”
_________________________


Dear readers, I will just take some time out to talk with atheists Krumple and InfraBlue, because they are fellow humans like ourselves and colleagues in this forum.

Dear Krumple and Infrablue, you do appear to have some learning and intelligence, both which you choose to abuse badly; for instead of seeking truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from since the dawn of man's conscious intelligence, you choose to wastefully abuse them to evade your duty to yourselves and maintain yourself-respect, in order to continuously adhere to your fanatical attachment to your superstition (irrational belief and practice) that there is no God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

Just the same, please take some time out to give your comments on infinite regress.
_________________


Okay, dear readers here, let us continue from yesterday.

Quote:
The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence, so let us go forth into the realm of existence to seek God, with our guide the concept of God as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

Start with the nose in our face, that is a part of the realm of existence, and we will search for God Who is also a part in the realm of existence.

Our nose has a beginning so some existing entity caused it to come to existence, do you you grasp that?

[...]

Not only our nose but our whole body and also the whole existence of mankind, and also everything at all you know about has a beginning.

[...]

So, dear readers here, everything with a beginning that means everything that did not exist antecedent to their beginning, has need of an entity to bring it to existence.

Why? Because antecedent to their beginning, they were not around, so how could they have come from existence by themselves as they were not around in the realm of existence.

That is why they need an entity not themselves to bring them to existence.

Next post, the objection of stupid atheists from infinite regress, or from bad faith disingenuous blah blah blah talkers.


You will recall, dear readers, as I told you earlier, that we will talk about the distinction between the conceptival realm of things and the objectival realm of things, so here we go into the conceptival realm and the objectival realm of things.

The conceptival realm of things is in our mind, it is the home of all kinds of thoughts whatsoever in our mind, even though the thoughts are bizarre altogether, and one of the bizarre thoughts is infinite regress, that can only exist in our mind.

But the mind is also home to all kinds of useful concepts, like that "The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."

On the other hand, the objectival realm of things is where everything independent of our mind has concrete existence, in particular everything with a beginning, and yes ALSO whatsoever we reason to the existence of an entity without any beginning, i.e. existing by, from, in, through, of, etc. itself, and that is God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

The nose is another example of things in the objectival realm, for it exists even though you have lost your mind, gone crazy, or your mind is suspended as in deep dreamless sleep, or you lost consciousness when you fainted, or you are in a comatose state – you get the idea, of course.

When you have any questions about these two realms of things, let you first think about them, and then bring them up for us to talk about, okay?

Now, why is infinite regress a bizarre thought that can exist only in our mind?

First, you try this experiment, bring your mind to entertain the thought that you are dead, annihilated by a nuclear explosive which landed on you as on ground zero, so you have gone into non-existence; but that is all in your mind, and you notice that your mind can entertain such a thought, even just for self-amusement and not get even just a slight headache.

That is also why atheists like in particular Krumple, he with his crazy thought that he can't be sure of his existence, and also InfraBlue, whose exercise of intelligence and learning is to abuse them, in order to shoot empty blank bullets to my précis of the proof of God existing, as follows:

From the concept of existence and the concept of God, namely:

"Existence is anything at all which we know to be real from our conscious experience and reasoning."

“In concept God is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.”

WHEREFORE by our expedition into the objectival realm of things in concrete factual existence outside our mind, and thus existing independently of our mind, our expedition to search for the presence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning:

We have ascertained that as there are all things we know about to be with a beginning, therefore there exists an entity which is self-existent and thus the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

And the EVIDENCE of such a being is the, yes, start with the nose in our face, and also altogether everything you know to be real by your conscious experience and reasoning: like roses and babies and the sun in the day sky and also giant galaxies in distant space, and also sub-atomic particles in the deep abysmal microscopic quantum realm.

There, that is the précis of my proof for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning, by reasoning from EVIDENCE.

Now, what is the fallacy of infinite regress in regard to the causation through (let us now call the entity creator cause of everything with a beginning, God - in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning), through causation by God?

The fallacy consists in atheists' murky mind that the thought of causation brings up an antecedent causation, and then another antecedent causation and on and on into infinity, thus we never get to any beginning.

If you have to talk with atheists who bring up that argument against causation from infinite regress, just tell them:

“I will punch your nose so that it bleeds, that is already proof that there is a first cause outside your murky stupid mind, so get out of your lousy mind and its lousy thought: or you can continue on and on with thinking of causation bringing up an antecedent causation and on and on; but I tell you, you will certainly die sooner than later, and so also your mind goes out of existence with its lousy thinking of causation from causation, from causation…

Dear readers here, do you realize that you have now a very good system to bust all kinds of fallacies and paradoxes, namely, by appeal to the distinction between the conceptival realm and the objectival realm: look for the hidden dungeon of mere conceptival bizarre thinking, and you have busted all kinds and manners of fallacies and paradoxes.

See you guys all again tomorrow.

Dear InfraBlue, let you and I talk about what is an assumption, okay? and also what is color, your favorite delusion, okay?

Dear Krumple, please go away, to nurse your stupid uncertainty of self-existence, go to your nirvana to delight in your stupidity of no-self.

I will no longer bother with you, Krumple, because I will also be infected by uncertainty as you are not certain to know that you exist, that infects everyone's access to certainty of your existence: since you are not certain to exist for yourself, so how can anyone be sure he is getting to your stupid mind?

It is like your mother or father ask me to lend you money, handing it to them for you, so I tell them:

Your son is not certain himself that he exists, so how can I get certainty that he will pay me back; he can just tell me later that he is not certain at all that he existed then and also now.

So, you stupid Krumple, you will still have the smartass stupid reply to me, namely, Go get your loan back from my papa and mama.

See? Hehehehehehehehe...

Later, tomorrow.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2017 03:50 pm
@Susmariosep,
So, I'm reconnected?
roger
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2017 04:47 pm
@InfraBlue,
You lucky devil, you.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2017 05:00 pm
God said to Abraham kill me a son
Abe says man you must be putting me on
God say no
Abe say what
God said you can do anything you want Abe
But the next time you see me coming you better run
Abe says where do you want this killing done
God says on Highway 61
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