US Soldier Executes Iraqi - War Crime Caught on Video Tape

Yes, I rather understood that to be your point: The US should be measured against a different yardstick than the rest of the world.

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I disagree that the insurgent? Iraqi? (we don't know) was entitled to a fair hearing.

You are wrong.

Everyone, even a murderer, is entitled to a fair hearing.

Otherwise, we are no different than they are.

Cycloptichorn

My opinion is neither right nor wrong as is yours. It is just that: opinion. You are not the judge of other people's opinions. So cram it.

You may think we are no different than they are but I know the difference. There is a distinctive good and bad element. These killers need to be to stopped, plain and simple.

YOU cram it. Your opinion IS wrong. Take your relativism elsewhere.

Justice is not situational. When you claim to have the moral superiority that we do, you have a responsibility to uphold that moral superiority.

Murder is murder. You don't have the right to murder someone, even if they are evil. If you call them killers, then that boy who shot a man in the head while he was laying there is guilty of murder and is a killer as well. To say otherwise makes you the exact same as the terrorists, and certainly no American and no patriot.

Cycloptichorn

I don't know what happened, but in my opinion, being in Fallujah, fighting insurgents...it's got to be a completely f*cked up situation, and I don't know whether it is technically a war crime or not, but it has got to be very hard to think clearly in that situation. I don't know that I would not do the same thing that soldier did.

I don't know what happened, but in my opinion, being in Fallujah, fighting insurgents...it's got to be a completely f*cked up situation, and I don't know whether it is technically a war crime or not, but it has got to be very hard to think clearly in that situation. I don't know that I would not do the same thing that soldier did.

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My opinion is neither right nor wrong as is yours. It is just that: opinion. You are not the judge of other people's opinions. So cram it.

You may think we are no different than they are but I know the difference. There is a distinctive good and bad element. These killers need to be to stopped, plain and simple.

YOU cram it. Your opinion IS wrong. Take your relativism elsewhere.

Justice is not situational. When you claim to have the moral superiority that we do, you have a responsibility to uphold that moral superiority.

Murder is murder. You don't have the right to murder someone, even if they are evil. If you call them killers, then that boy who shot a man in the head while he was laying there is guilty of murder and is a killer as well. To say otherwise makes you the exact same as the terrorists, and certainly no American and no patriot.

Cycloptichorn

I don't know what happened, but in my opinion, being in Fallujah, fighting insurgents...it's got to be a completely f*cked up situation, and I don't know whether it is technically a war crime or not, but it has got to be very hard to think clearly in that situation. I don't know that I would not do the same thing that soldier did.

kickycan wrote:

I don't know what happened, but in my opinion, being in Fallujah, fighting insurgents...it's got to be a completely f*cked up situation, and I don't know whether it is technically a war crime or not, but it has got to be very hard to think clearly in that situation. I don't know that I would not do the same thing that soldier did.

So much for the claim to be a well "trained", well "organised", well DISCIPLINED army

If the guy had a gun, I think the soldier would have shouted something to that effect ye know like "get down he has a gun" type thing.

Or maybe evn:

" Soldier of an ILLEGAL OCCUPYING force, ILLEGALLY executes a man because he didn't want him in HIS country!!!

gav wrote:

kickycan wrote:

I don't know what happened, but in my opinion, being in Fallujah, fighting insurgents...it's got to be a completely f*cked up situation, and I don't know whether it is technically a war crime or not, but it has got to be very hard to think clearly in that situation. I don't know that I would not do the same thing that soldier did.

So much for the claim to be a well "trained", well "organised", well DISCIPLINED army

If the guy had a gun, I think the soldier would have shouted something to that effect ye know like "get down he has a gun" type thing.

Of course you know that, because you have been in that situation before. Oh wait a minute, you haven't. You've been sitting here playing armchair judge, jury and executioner on the internet.

Of course you know that, because you have been in that situation before. Oh wait a minute, you haven't. You've been sitting here playing armchair judge, jury and executioner on the internet.

Bill one of your images didn't come up there. But is the top one you with a hastily made aliminium foil hat?

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timberlandko wrote:

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Family of hostage Margaret Hassan says she is probably dead
Tuesday, November 16, 2004


(11-16) 09:39 PST LONDON (AP) --

The family of Margaret Hassan, the 59-year-old aid worker kidnapped in Iraq last month, said Tuesday they believed she was dead.

A statement from Hassan's four brothers and sisters was released by Britain's Foreign Office.

"Our hearts are broken," it said. "We have kept hoping for as long as we could, but we now have to accept that Margaret has probably gone and at last her suffering has ended."

Think about it.

It is comforting to know that the Iraqi who was shot in the head has no parents or loved ones to grieve over his death........otherwise one would think his life had value as well....and what treasonous un-american bastard would think that?

I'm not claiming the dead member of the insurgency's life had little or no value, but do you fail to see the contrast in the killing of Margaret Hassan, a charity worker who has devoted her life to helping the Iraqi people, with the killing of a militant member of the insurgency who was obviously taking an active part in attacking members of the US military on the battlefield?

Added to the mix is the apparent fact that these terrorists/insurgents have in the past engaged in the despicable tactic of feigning death in order to lure US soldiers closer, where they shoot them or blow themselves up.

I concede that the Iraqi insurgent placed himself into that situation and has to shoulder his share of the blame for his own demise yes....and I suppose given that circumstance was more likely than that unfortunate lady to be killed and I do not have any particular sympathy for him as I do Ms. Hassan...........but that's not the point..... murder 1 is murder 1 ....and we are supposed to be the good guys....not the ones that are killing unarmed and injured people no matter how despicable they might be....that's what gives us the God almighty moral high ground the administration and it's supporters are always going on about ad nauseum......on paper anyway.....

Yes, I rather understood that to be your point: The US should be measured against a different yardstick than the rest of the world.

I agree with other remarks I've seen that the full circumstances surrounding this unfortunate incident need to be investigated.