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US Soldier Executes Iraqi - War Crime Caught on Video Tape

 
 
dare2think
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 11:58 pm
Did you not know your moron president was stirring up a hornets nest, in his reckless misadventure, to settle a score with Saddam, did you not know this?
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dare2think
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 12:05 am
Iraqi lives are just as valuable as American lives.
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dare2think
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 12:14 am
Larry434 wrote:
We do not know what the Iraqi who was shot did just before his being dispatched to the 7 virgins, now do we?

Let's get all the facts before calling it a war crime.

Are you freaking serious?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 02:05 am
"We follow the law of armed conflict and we hold ourselves to a high standard of accountability"
Lt Gen John Sattler
US commander
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 05:52 am
Craven de Kere wrote:
Larry434 wrote:
We do not know what the Iraqi who was shot did just before his being dispatched to the 7 virgins, now do we?

Let's get all the facts before calling it a war crime.


This is wholly irrelevant. A war crime in this situation would have absolutely nothing to do with what the Iraqi had done.


It might make you feel differently about it, but from a legal standpoint this is a war crime only if the prisoner was, indeed, unarmed and posed no threat.

From what is described it's about as clear cut a war crime as it gets.

CNN wrote:
A Marine approached one of the men in the mosque saying, "He's [expletive] faking he's dead. He's faking he's [expletive] dead."

The Marine raised his rifle and fired into the apparently wounded man's head, at which point a companion said, "Well, he's dead now."


You are speculating with incomplete information unless you were there. Letting those who were there testify to the investigation before leaping to judgment is appropriate in this instance.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 05:53 am
dare2think wrote:
Larry434 wrote:
We do not know what the Iraqi who was shot did just before his being dispatched to the 7 virgins, now do we?

Let's get all the facts before calling it a war crime.

Are you freaking serious?


But of course. Why do you not want to get all the facts before leaping to judgment?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:04 am
Larry434 wrote:
You are speculating with incomplete information unless you were there. Letting those who were there testify to the investigation before leaping to judgment is appropriate in this instance.


If thus - and I really thusd: only what could be seen on tv - happens, when a tv camera and an embedded journalist is present, I won't even speculate, what is going on reality.
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the prince
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:09 am
Larry434 wrote:
But of course. Why do you not want to get all the facts before leaping to judgment?


I find it very funny when people who refused to look at all the facts before they passed judgement on Iraq and went to war, make these kind of statements.

This blatant display of percieved "moral superiority" is sickening.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:14 am
Well, there really might be a danger going out from hurt civil looking person:

http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20041116/wpris1116/_done_1116shot.jpg

Obviously he wasn't dead, and only a dead ...
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:14 am
Gautam wrote:
Larry434 wrote:
But of course. Why do you not want to get all the facts before leaping to judgment?


I find it very funny when people who refused to look at all the facts before they passed judgement on Iraq and went to war, make these kind of statements.

This blatant display of percieved "moral superiority" is sickening.


From what I have seen and read, the guy is as guilty as can be. But he does deserve a fair hearing where all the facts can be presented (be honest, some of which we may not know) before we find him guilty. Don't you think so Gautam? Shouldn't we give the same rights to him as we do to common criminals?
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the prince
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:20 am
I totally agree !! he is a vicitim of circumstances, and he deserves a full hearing.

But when statements like "We do not know what the Iraqi who was shot did just before his being dispatched to the 7 virgins, now do we? " are made, it is disrespectful to human kind, and a dead human being at that.

You cannot hold different moral yardsticks for different people when it comes to sanctity of human life. An iraqi is as entitled to a fair hearing as an American marine. And people who seek to differentiate between them, just because all "Americans" are good guyz and all "Iraqis" are bad guyz really annoy me
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:21 am
Well, perhaps some think that this person was very lucky, because he was murdered in a mosque.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:28 am
I guess then that I misunderstood your comment Gautam and that we are on the same page on this one. If an investigation proves this man in effect executed an unarmed and wounded man, then I hope they throw the book at him. But until then, I am willing to withhold judgement pending the investigation.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:42 am
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86CNL1G0.html

"Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing ten men and wounding five others, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.


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The Marines had treated the wounded, he reported, left them behind and continued on Friday with their drive to retake the city from insurgents who have been battling U.S.-led occupation forces in Iraq with increasing ferocity and violence in recent months.

On the video as the camera moved into the mosque during the Saturday incident, a Marine can be heard shouting obscenities in the background, yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead.

The video then showed a Marine raising his rifle toward a prisoner laying on the floor of the mosque but neither NBC nor CNN showed the bullet hitting the man. At that moment the video was blacked out but the report of the rifle could be heard.

The blacked out portion of the video tape, provided later to Associated Press Television News and other members of the network pool, showed the bullet striking the man in the upper body, possibly the head. His blood splatters on the wall behind him and his body goes limp.

Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent."

Amazing how quick the Bushwackers reach conclusions and support the enemy while condeming the US Marine they pretend to support.

This is the same enemy who a DAY EARLIER KILLED a US soldier by booby-trapping a dead body. Care to discuss THAT!!!
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:49 am
sure let's discuss it...a marine was murdered by a middle eastern insurgent and then another marine murdered an insurgent for payback......wtf is to discuss?

Oh I know, we can discuss how you can't tell which murderer is which without a scorecard......
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:52 am
BPB - As usual, you do not have your facts straight.

I posted what occurred, you read it and that is how you respond???
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:53 am
Well, according to the embedded reporter, this 'insurgent' got first aid by the same soldiers the day before.

Sounds like that story in a fairy tale when a boy was feed to fat before eaten ...
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:56 am
Bottom line.

Investigate and get all the facts.

Then, if warranted, prosecute to the maximum extent of the UCMJ in a trial where the defense can present mitigating circumstances.

That is true justice..
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:57 am
Walter - Not according to the published report posted above. The soldier who killed the enemy was from a different unit.

To repeat......

""Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing ten men and wounding five others, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.


(AP) In this cropped image taken from pool video provided to the Associated Press by NBC News, a U.S....
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The Marines had treated the wounded, he reported, left them behind and continued on Friday with their drive to retake the city from insurgents who have been battling U.S.-led occupation forces in Iraq with increasing ferocity and violence in recent months."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2004 07:58 am
Okay, so others fed him and different ate him.
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