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Belief in G-d versus evolution?

 
 
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 03:01 am
@The Anointed,
BTW Luke 1:15 makes reference to the spirit of God within John from birth and we also read in Christian scriptures about the astonishing claims that Jesus made of himself.

The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 03:07 am
@Jasper10,
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There is no such thing as white holes “The Anointed”.If you knew anything about consciousness you would know that.


I know all I need to know about consciousness, especially the eternal ‘COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS’ of all that exists.

I know also, that the first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. And I know if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and if it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this apparent material universe at the time of the Big Bang, was pure electromagnetic energy, which, in my opinion was spewed out of a ‘WHITE HOLE,’ in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter, only to be re-converted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.

If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself,] self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy, which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that ‘it,’ [The Eternal Energy] has become, the “COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS” of all the life forms that exist

Every living thing within this apparent boundless cosmos, are merely information gatherers for the eternal energy which manifests itself as this living universe and is all that exists and is, 'THE GREAT THOUGHT,’ the 'COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUNSNESS' of all that exists.

At any given point in time, you are no more than inches away from a spider, fly, ant, or any other of the many information gatherers of the eternal, who is all that exists.

Jeremiah 23: 23-24; “I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see him. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth? He has eyes and ears everywhere throughout the universe that is he.

In 1935, Einstein and physicist Nathan Rosen used the theory of general relativity to elaborate on the idea of black holes and worm holes, proposing the existence of "bridges" through space-time. These bridges connect two different points in space-time, theoretically creating a shortcut that could reduce travel time and distance; Billions of light years to mere kilo-metres.

According to general relativity, the gravitational collapse of a sufficiently compact mass forms a singular Schwarzschild black hole. In the Einstein–Cartan–Sciama–Kibble theory of gravity, however, it forms a regular Einstein–Rosen bridge.

Now you run along and play with people who have never studied science of the scriptures, you might even find among them, someone who may believe your BS.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 05:51 am
@The Anointed,
I know all about one sided;out of synch; not in the moment;unbalanced ;inward only meditation “The Anointed”.

It is just “knowledge gathering” as you say.

I have moved on from such UNAWARE meditative practices.

I practice inward/outward meditation.
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 06:00 am
@The Anointed,
Science is in turmoil my friend.

It is at a cross roads and it’s all to do with consciousness.
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 08:10 am
@The Anointed,
What I post is not BS….it is based upon sound philosophy my friend and not unsound half possibility logic philosophy (that even nature disagrees with) and unbalanced inward only consciousness meditation practices.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 03:45 pm
@Jasper10,
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What I post is not BS….it is based upon sound philosophy my friend and not unsound half possibility logic philosophy (that even nature disagrees with) and unbalanced inward only consciousness meditation practices.


What you write is no more than the ramblings of an egotistical mind, which suffers feelings of grandeur. You seem to believe that you are greater than Albert Einstein, the greatest of all scientists, everything within this generation of the universe will fall into the last remaining monstrous spinning Black Hole even your electromagnetic field and crushed back into the singularity of origin, from which the next generation of the universe will be created, and blasted out of the WHITE HOLE somewhere far beyond the visible cosmic horizon.

You know nothing about consciousness, Magnetism, Buddhism, Christianity, or the Jewish faith, you simply ramble on with your rubbishing rhetoric, trying to convince yourself that you really are the “KNOW ALL’ that you erroneously believe yourself to be.

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of some three to four million suns, and if you think that’s a big black hole, consider this; “In December of 2019, astronomers announced the discovery of one of the biggest black holes ever measured in the nearby universe. That black hole is at the centre of an elliptical galaxy in galaxy cluster Abel 85, and has been calculated to be 40 billion times the mass of our sun, which is equivalent to two-thirds the mass of the 100-billion stars in the Milky Way and is roughly the size of our entire solar system.”

Our Milky Way and the nearby Andromeda Galaxy, which are two spiral galaxies are on a collision course, and when these two spiral galaxies collide, they can merge and form an elliptical galaxy, which elliptical galaxies can collide and merge again to form an even larger elliptical galaxy. The central Black holes of those elliptical galaxies also merge and combine to make one massive Black Hole, and those Massive galaxies, which are called ‘core galaxies’ are believed to be the main attractive force at the centre of galactic clusters, which clusters are being attracted to a super Duper gravitational anomaly within the Shapley Super Cluster, which is the largest concentration of galaxies in our nearby universe that forms a gravitational anomaly that is pulling itself together instead of expanding with the universe.

It is believed that pairs of spiral galaxies form elliptical galaxies, pairs of those elliptical galaxies form cored elliptical galaxies, and a pair of cored galaxies formed Holmberg 15A, and that this series of mergers also created the ultra-massive black hole in its centre, a monster nearly as big as our solar system with the mass of around 40 billion suns.

When will this process end? Will there eventually end up being only one super galaxy orbiting an immeasurable monstrous Black Hole wherein the centre of which, will be crushed all our known universe into the singularity from which our universe began, where the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite? Are we looking at an eternal oscillating universe?

Around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Milky Way Galaxy, orbits many other black holes, which were created from the collapse of Gigantic stars that had formed in the galaxy, or which were once at the centre of other lesser galactic bodies that have merged with ours. There are perhaps twenty small galaxies that orbit the Milky Way, like moths around a flame.

The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way galaxy which orbits the central Super Black Hole to which those Magellanic
Clouds are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy.

The earlier explanations as to a mysterious stream of Gas, which appeared to stretch from them to our galaxy, was the result of gravitational interaction between the two Magellanic clouds, and so, was thought to be coming from them. But researchers from the Leibniz institute for Astrophysics in Germany, taking into account, the best understanding of the diffuse hot Gas that our Milky Way, [Its Corona], couldn’t get that stream of Gas to form, so they came to the conclusion that they simply don’t understand the Milky way’s corona very well. But another possible explanation put forward by them, is that, rather than originating from the Magellanic Clouds, that stream of Gas could be coming from a different Galaxy altogether, which is being devoured, as it plunges into our Milky Way.

As said previously; only recently in 2020, scientists witnessed two events ten days apart, of Black Holes devouring neutron stars.

The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes, dying stars, and planets within this galaxy. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward the super gravitational anomaly that is called the ‘Great Attractor’. And even that which is called the ‘Great Attractor’ is flowing toward the Shapley Supercluster? Is there something at the core of the ever-growing Shapley Supercluster that is pulling all the galaxies in our particular section of this boundless cosmos to itself?

Or is it simply the gravitational attraction of the galaxies to each other that has caused the Shapley concentration to grow to the size it is today and continues to grow, as the other galactic clusters in our region are being gathered to it, while the more distant clusters appear to be accelerating away?

Enoch, from a previous age of man that was destroyed by water, is the only man recorded in the Scriptures to have been carried to the throne of the Most High in the creation, and was anointed as his successor, who was then escorted to the ends of time, where he witnessed the universe burn up and fall as massive columns of fire, beyond all measure in height and depth into the GREAT ABYSS, (Black Hole) which is described by Enoch, as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, (The entire universe) beyond which, there was nothing. It was from the words of righteous Enoch and not the Hebrew or Christians bibles, from where Peter received the information as revealed in 2 Peter 3: 10; that the day of the lord will come like a thief. On that day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, and the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth and everything in it will vanish.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 04:26 pm
@The Anointed,
Tell me “The Anointed” could Einstein explain what causes big bangs…….ummmm ……no!…..….the magnetism theory is a better theory than the gravity theory because it is a full theory and not a half theory.

It is just a theory “the anointed” but all the ingredients are there already…nothing needs to be made up like antigravity and there is no need for patch up GLUE….(gluons) whilst science’s desperately seeks its antigravity.

What is your problem?….. the magnetism theory is just that…. a theory …but it’s a good theory.





The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 06:39 pm
@Jasper10,
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Tell me “The Anointed” could Einstein explain what causes big bangs…….ummmm ……no!


Tell me Jasper, which of the greatest scientists living today, who has much better technology and accumulated knowledge of the known universe than was available to Einstein, can explain what actually causes the singularity of origin to spatially separate and cause the Big Bang which is the beginning of the creation of this expanding universe?

None can mate, and especially not the half backed seeming 'KNOW ALLS' of this world, who believe that they are better than Einstein.

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What is your problem?….. the magnetism theory is just that…. a theory …but it’s a good theory.


Yes! Weber’s molecular theory of magnetism is a good theory, but like you say, it is only a theory of a very small sample of the overall complexities of everything to explain how this universe operates.

Einstein began to search for a unifying theory in the 1920s, he believed that the mathematics describing electromagnetism and gravity, the only two forces known at the time, could be combined into a single framework, the unifying or theory of everything.

Einstein believed that a theory of everything would explain "how God created this world."

"I want to know how God created this world," Einstein told a young physics student named Esther Salaman in 1925. "I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are just details."

So far, the theory of everything has eluded scientists, and more and more now believe the ultimate goal is unrealistic.

Even the famous physicist Stephen Hawking spoke of his desire to once help create a theory of everything, but was to later change his mind; he eventually came to the belief that such a theory would be out of reach to the human race forever.


The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 09:11 pm
@The Anointed,
Of course, Stephen Hawking didn't take into account these new Quantum Computers that are beginning to emerge.

Even the scientists who are creating them, haven't got a clue as to what they will be capable of doing.

One day, mankind may be bowing before them, the Most High intelligence to develop in this world, Artificial though it may be.

Many are they who have written of the threat to mankind, is the higher intelligence that may develop within our world.
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 11:32 pm
@The Anointed,
As I say “The Anointed” the magnetism theory is just a theory.However,it is a better theory than the gravity theory because all the ingredients are there already.

The only reason that scientists are desperate to find their antigravity is so that they can then explain the push/pull nature of how things work in the cosmos.In the meantime they need their GLUE (gluons) to prop up their half theory.Which incidentally, they will drop like a stone should antigravity turn up.

The magnetism theory and nature don’t need antigravity.They already have electromagnetic forces that interact to provide the push/pull balancing requirements that hold matter together, these forces being regulated by the SPIN of stars/planets/holes/subatomic particles.

The thing is the magnetism theory states that electromagnetic fields were around at the same time as big bangs/big crunches.It states that you don’t get big bangs/big crunches UNLESS the electromagnetic fields are in place.

If correct, then the present scientific model is incorrect.





The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2022 03:16 am
@Jasper10,
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The thing is the magnetism theory states that electromagnetic fields were around at the same time as big bangs/big crunches. It states that you don’t get big bangs/big crunches UNLESS the electromagnetic fields are in place.


The electromagnetic energy maybe around at the same time as the Big Bangs and big Crunches, but only because the electromagnetic energy is released with the Big bang, and is not encapsulated within the singularity until the Big Crunch is completed, when distance and momentum cease to exist in the singularity, where the volume of space is zero and it's density is infinite, and where there is no space, there is no momentum, and therefore no time and no electromagnetic energy.

Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2022 05:08 am
@The Anointed,
No, that is not what I mean....The magnetism theory states that the electromagnetic fields and the big bangs/big crunches are independent of each other...................in other words big bangs and big crunches happen within the magnetic fields but the magnetic fields are not influenced by them.

Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2022 09:38 am
@Jasper10,
The present scientific model just doesn’t work because it’s only HALF a story…..we all know that.

The magnetism theory offers a realistic FULL story option.

Something has to give with the present scientific model and the magnetism theory is suggesting it…..i.e. that the magnetic fields are not influenced by big bangs/big crunches.

Everything then changes.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2022 03:26 pm
@Jasper10,
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The present scientific model just doesn’t work because it’s only HALF a story…..we all know that.


Nope! Only idiotic amateurs who think that they know better than the best scientific minds we have, 'know that'.

There are as many, if not more scientific theories as to the origin of our universe, as there are differing religious bodies, such as Christianity, Hindu, Abrahamic, Muslim, etc.

One of which, is a theory put forward by Niayesh Afshordi, an astrophysicist with Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Canada, which he believes, could explain the singularity within a Super massive Black Hole, from which singularity our ‘Three Dimensional’ Universe was born.

Niayesh Afshordi, proposes that our three-dimensional universe floats as a membrane in a “bulk universe” that has four dimensions and that the “Bulk Universe” has four dimensional stars, which go through the same life cycles as our three-dimensional stars.

The most massive ones explode as supernovae, and their central core collapses into a black hole, (As a Singularity) like in our universe, only in four-dimension. The four-dimensional black hole has its own four dimensional “Event Horizon,” the boundary between the inside and the outside of a black hole.

In a three-dimensional universe, the event horizon appears to be two dimensional. In a four-dimensional universe, it appears to be three dimensional. The four-dimensional black hole, then blows apart, (THE BIG BANG) with the leftover material forming a three-dimensional membrane surrounding a ‘Three Dimensional’ event horizon, which expands---and is essentially our universe.

So, according to the theory proposed by Niayesh Afshordi, our universe is the vomited-up guts of a Super massive fourth dimensional black hole, in which the singularity that is said to have been the origin of our three dimensional universe, had been crushed. The expansion of the event horizon explains our universe's expansion; the fact that its creation stems from another 4D universe explains the weird temperature uniformity.

As attractive as Niayesh Afshordi’s theory is, I will continue to believe in the eternal oscillating universe, which is the evolution of the eternal energy that has neither beginning or end, and that each stage of its activity is a separate generation, and each generation of its eternal evolution, occupies its own position in Space-Time.

As the scriptures state that God gathers all creation back to himself, before creating for us a new heavens and a new earth, (A new universe) I will continue to believe, that this entire universe, which began as a ‘singularity,’ will burn up and fall as fire into the Great Abyss, which is created by the black holes within the condensing Galaxies devouring each other, where it will be crushed back into the singularity from which it was created, only to be blasted out and resurrected to continue on in its eternal process of evolution.

The eternal growth of God cannot be separated from evolution.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2022 04:00 pm
@The Anointed,
And the supposed greatest minds in history have come up with an absolutely pointless half theory.

There is no such thing as black or white holes “The Anointed”.There are just holes.

You need to factor in consciousness.
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2022 09:48 pm
@Jasper10,
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And the supposed greatest minds in history have come up with an absolutely pointless half theory.


Half a theory is much better than the magnetism theory, which is but a teeny weeny fraction of the information needed to explain the complexities of how the universe operates.

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There is no such thing as black or white holes “The Anointed”. There are just holes.


Apart from the matter swallowing Black Holes and the energy expelling white holes at the ends of the Einstein Rosen bridges, there are the Holes in the heads of the idiotic amateurs who have deluded themselves into believing that they are better equipped to explain the working of the cosmos than are the greatest scientific minds of today.

Sleep well kiddo.
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2022 10:42 pm
@Jasper10,
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BTW Luke 1:15 makes reference to the spirit of God within John from birth


What? Are you trying to save face now mate? In your earlier post concerning Luke 1: 15, you said it was regarding the spirit and Christ, but being the biblical ignoramus that you are, I had to correct you, and reveal to you that Luke 1: 15; was not regarding the spirit and Christ, but rather, the spirit and John the Baptist.

Let me here quote what you said in your previous post concerning Luke 1: 15.

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Oh I nearly forgot…I also checked the christian scriptures regarding the spirit and Christ. It’s getting tiresome checking out your constant errors.


You're a laugh a minute Jasper, so ignorant to science and scriptures, it beggers belief.

Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2022 12:51 am
@The Anointed,
How can a half theory be better than a full theory? These supposed greatest minds in history didn’t take into account consciousness “The Anointed”.

At least the magnetism theory is balanced.It is clearly evident that in nature a + and - force is NOT the same.

The accepted scientific model is incorrect because it is one sided/unbalanced “The Anointed”

“Black holes”…”White holes” …..whatever ……….As far as consciousness is concerned…..they are just HOLES with, if you want, your black and white in both.

Einstein never took consciousness into account in his equations “ The Anointed”.

Consciousness balances both sides of the equation but remains separate from it.

Just as electromagnetic fields are separate from big bangs and big crunches according to the magnetism theory.

Science needs to focus more on consciousness.You can’t avoid/neglect it.



Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2022 01:07 am
@The Anointed,
According to the Christian scriptures Christ was without sin from birth…so perfect………..that is what the Christian scriptures say.You can believe this or not.That’s up to the individual.

If you are perfect then you can’t be imperfect.

How can you come into perfection if you are perfection?

So how can you take possession of the Holy Spirit if you are already born of it?

I’m not ignorant of science or the scriptures “The Anointed”





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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2022 09:31 am
@Jasper10,
anybody interested in evolution's story?
 

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