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Belief in G-d versus evolution?

 
 
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2022 02:44 pm
@NealNealNeal,
You are correct in what you say, that is why we have ended up with the philosophically biased gravity theory which is based upon a half logic that doesn’t correlate with nature and is therefore of no use to anyone.

Nature utilises full logic possibilities.

It would appear that God allows for all belief systems ……so you can believe that good is bad and bad is good OR you can believe that good is good and bad is bad.

Either way nature adopts ALL logics in its make up i.e. FULL logic and not HALF logic.

This is where modern day science is going wrong because it only adopts half logic in its reasonings.

The magnetism theory is a better theory because it adopts FULL logic possibilities and is a practical theory that we can all relate to.







farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2022 05:52 am
@Jasper10,
science baes it conclusions on vidence, the believers of gods and fairies are still trying to find any evience for their beliefs.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2022 09:14 am
@farmerman,
Hi farmerman…..I base my science on experience….far better.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2022 01:30 pm
@Jasper10,
Your science is based on experience? Whose experience? Yours or scientific studies.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2022 01:53 pm
@glitterbag,
Experience and Studies are two completely different things glitterbag.

If you knew anything about philosophy you would know that Experience relates to (PLAYER) and Studies relate to (SPECTATOR).

You cannot separate/study something if you are totally embroiled with it.

NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2022 02:54 pm
@Jasper10,
In
Jasper10 wrote:

Experience and Studies are two completely different things glitterbag.

If you knew anything about philosophy you would know that Experience relates to (PLAYER) and Studies relate to (SPECTATOR).

You cannot separate/study something if you are totally embroiled with it.




Exactly, Jasper
Progressives love to do "studies". These "studies" are affected by their biases. They ignore what has been experienced. Then they shift the blame should they ever actually try something and it blows up in their face.
This is especially true about "ivory tower" professors in the social sciences.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2022 08:56 am
@NealNealNeal,
Modern day scientists don’t want to become part of their own studies…..they want to remain separate from them .i.e.remain SPECTATORS….

This is exactly why they are not remotely close to a UNITED theory….

They forget that their whole make up is embroiled within the overall cosmos make up (including consciousness) ……………and they have the arrogance to claim that we are nothing more than consciousness………….how do they know!!!!!!!

They know nothing about consciousness or how it relates to SELF.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2022 10:12 am
@Jasper10,
Consciousness is the “HARD PROBLEM”….their words not mine….
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2022 06:39 pm
@Jasper10,
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.I base my science on experience
exactly what experience do you bring over to the discussion table?

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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2022 06:42 pm
@Jasper10,
When you spnd your life doing studies you aint any kind of a mere spectator.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2022 06:57 pm
@Jasper10,
and what does your experienc conclude about evolution? STuies are repetable, your "exprience" sounds a bit loosely wound.
does your experience conclude tha evolution is driven by a deity or what.

Your clad sounes like it makes up ansers for all occasions. Cince is often wrong but i usually self correcting.

I was part of a ris of tudis that efined how, through urface chemistry reactions and omthing as simpl as th Freundlich Law, chemicals cane build up or be relase from dsorption or dsorption.
Thhese tuis where high cience back in the 70.sn now every HS chem class dos the experiments and "STRUDIES" that have concluded findings that work, and these are facts and.
not some holy roller baloney

what if there wasnt a god for you to whine over, or if there was a totally transcendent deity who had no part in anything, and everything went along based on pure laws of the sciences that we have or are learning their bases?

To me god beliefs are a mre search for value in life, and that value is a mre hop that there IS an afterlife complete with ice cream 'adoramus te"and otherbullshit from a made up heavenly host
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2022 06:58 pm
@Jasper10,
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This is exactly why they are not remotely close to a UNITED theory
The Day aint over yet.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2022 12:34 am
@farmerman,
That’s one thing we can both can agree on……it’s a start I suppose.

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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2022 05:35 pm
@farmerman,
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Cince is often wrong but i usually self correcting.


You did say 'usually'.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2022 07:10 pm
@Leadfoot,
It has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists have revealed that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observe the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of “INVISIBLE ENERGY”, not tangible matter.

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like ‘A GREAT THOUGHT’ than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

'THE GREAT THOUGHT' the Creator and governor of the realm of matter, is the only true constant, in the fact that it is eternally in the constant process of Change=Evolution, the only Mind=Thought that can cease to evolve is the mind that has ceased to exist.

God and evolution cannot be separated.
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 12:48 am
@The Anointed,
I suppose that is one theory “The Anointed”….not necessarily the right theory,just another HOPEFUL theory nonetheless

HOPE is all you have “The Anointed”….stop trying to claim things are facts when you haven’t a clue really.You make yourself look a right fool.

Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 12:53 am
@The Anointed,
I will gladly concede when you use a non mechanical language to convey all that train of wisdom and gold!
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 01:03 am
@The Anointed,
Oh I nearly forgot…I also checked the christian scriptures regarding the spirit and Christ.

Once again, and as suspected, what you claimed in a previous post contradicts what the Christian scriptures actually say in Luke 1:15

It’s getting tiresome checking out your constant errors.

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The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 01:41 am
@Jasper10,
Quote:
I suppose that is one theory “The Anointed”….not necessarily the right theory,just another HOPEFUL theory nonetheless.
HOPE is all you have “The Anointed”….stop trying to claim things are facts when you haven’t a clue really.You make yourself look a right fool
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I believe that the majority on this forum know who the fool is, youngen, and you can make as many of your erroneous supposition as you want, but this theory will do me.

The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of “INVISIBLE ENERGY”, not tangible matter.

Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this apparent material universe at the time of the Big Bang, was, according to the most popular theory of the creation of this universe, pure electromagnetic energy, which, In my Opinion, was spewed out of a WHITE HOLE, in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, or, according to scientific measurements (180 million trillion, trillion degrees Fahrenheit), which electromagnetic energy has been converted to that which we perceive as matter, only to be-reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch, when all will be ripped apart atom by atom, subatomic particle by subatomic particle, as the universal bodies fall as fire into the Great Abyss, where this universe is crushed back into the singularity from which it originated, with all the information gathered in that cycle of universal activity, from which singularity the next generation of the ever evolving universe will be created.

A singularity is a region of space-time in which matter is crushed so closely together that the gravitational laws explained by general relativity break down. In a singularity, the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite. Scientists believe such a singularity exists at the core of a black hole, which occurs when a super-massive sun reaches the end of its life and implodes.

General relativity also demands such a singularity must exist at the beginning of an expanding universe, from which singularity our eternal oscillating and ever evolving universe is resurrected to continue on in that everlasting process.

So, general relativity demands that there was a black hole in which was contained the singularity in which our entire universe existed before 'THIS' generation of the universe even was.

All life originated with the singularity from which this expanding universe and all the life herein was created, and this universe and all that exists, will be returned to the singularity, which is the origin of the next cycle of universal activity. This would appear to compliment Paul’s statement in Romans 1: 18-23; that the eternal, who has neither beginning or end, had made himself manifest as this visible cosmos, and all that can be known about the eternal has been made plain to us in the creation itself, which is the eternal invisible MIND, ‘The GREAT THOUGHT’ made visible as it has evolved today.

Russian physicist and mathematician Alexander Friedmann, in the early 1920s, became the first person to embrace the idea that the equations of Einstein’s general theory of relativity called for a universe in motion.

The Friedmann universe begins with a Big Bang and continues expanding for untold billions of years—that’s the stage we’re in now. But after a long enough period of time, the mutual gravitational attraction of all the matter slows the expansion to a stop. The universe then starts to fall in on itself, replaying the expansion in reverse. Eventually all the matter collapses back into a singularity, in what physicist John Wheeler likes to call the “Big Crunch.”

Our ancient ancestors expressed the belief that our scientists of today are just beginning to come to terms with, and that is, that following each “Big Bang” there comes the “Big Crunch,” when this universe is condensed once again, into the supposedly infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which it originated, only to reappear at a later point in time.

According to the ancients, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time, a living universal being who is all that exists, and in who, all that is, exists. A universe that exists in the two states of seemingly visible matter and invisible energy.

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all, the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day, a period of universal activity of light and life, as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis. ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day, and is seen as the period of rest for the “GREAT THOUGHT’. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis 2: 4; as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth,” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; it is written concerning the six days of creation; “These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc.” And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection, are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an ‘EIGHTH’ day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one aeon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.

BTW Luke 1: 15; is not in reference to the spirit and Christ as you claim, but to the spirit and John the Baptist. But what would a biblical ignoramus such as yourself know of the scriptures?

Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2022 02:13 am
@The Anointed,
There is no such thing as white holes “The Anointed”.If you knew anything about consciousness you would know that.

 

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