Why is Nobody Honest Here?!?

Well, that's funny.....you go all on about bashing the many talented writers here at a2k.....funny, I diddn't see any of your work here? What, is you'r writing just TOO good for the likes of us......ohhh please! You have a right to say that in your opinion most of the stuff written here sucks, but you don't have a right to tell other people what they should be thinking or saying. Writing effects different people differently, therfor, by saying "that peice was magic" or whatever, they cantruly mean it. Just because it's bad to you, doesn't mean it's bad to us. So come on, let's see what your writing looks like.....I can only imagine......

There's some honest criticism for you everaugust. Pessy has a point though. So far, I've seen only two posts from you in this forum, one critique, where you did offer some solid, sound advice on writing, and this one, where you blanketly condemn all the writers here. So, in the interests of diplomacy, post some of your writing before jumping right to the criticism. I'll be honest with you. How about this piece, brilliant or shite?

I hope my good old a**hole holds out
60 years it's been mostly OK
Tho in Bolivia a fissure operation
survived the altiplano hospital--
a little blood, no polyps, occasionally
a small hemorrhoid
active, eager, receptive to phallus
coke bottle, candle, carrot
banana & fingers--
Now AIDS makes it shy, but still
eager to serve--
out with the dumps, in with the condom'd
orgasmic friend--
still rubbery muscular,
unashamed wide open for joy
But another 20 years who knows,
old folks got troubles everywhere--
necks, prostates, stomachs, joints--
Hope the old hole stays young
till death, relax

That is the best goddamn piece of peotry I have ever read !!!

Oops, I was supposed to critique it right ? well Cav mate, I hate to say, but it stinks....but then you did choose a stinky subject

Brilliant, Cav. <smile>

everaugust, May I suggest that you refrain from using such words as "terrible"? Banal wasn't bad, but even that word has a tendency to be overused.

Welcome to A2K, critique and all.

Letty, Gautam, sadly, I am undeserving of the praise. You'll have to talk to the author and let him know (although a seance would be required). I'm pretty sure everaugust knows where it came from. I'm just trying to get them to post their work already. I chose this poem to illustrate that poetry is highly subjective. While we might love it, others could find it incredbly offensive, and without any artistic merit. To simply respond "well, they are wrong, and we are right" sort of defeats the purpose of poetry, which is to inspire people to look at the world from a fresh perspective.

Hey, Cav. I knew it wasn't yours. It ain't your style.

My goodness, gracious, sakes alive!

Listening

Preep! Whistle!

yellow card to everaugust...but despite that, there's a kernel of truth in the observation. There's nothing wrong with a little critique...it just doesn't have to be an arrogant one.

I'm just funnin'. I know you knew Letty. However, we may as well hijack this thread while we wait for some pearls of brilliance from our author.

In tense we live
past and pre
abide the ride
whee!

If I had to guess...the anal style belongs to Ginsberg.

Where should we hijack it to this time?

Panz, tired old expressions like "a kernel of truth" don't do much for the imagery.

And might I suggest, Cav, that you put a little more umph into your roller coaster.

Gautam, your bum looked rather large in that response.

Paula, read and learn. Heh! Heh!

We're just having some fun, everaugust. Critique away.

You would be correct sir panzade. Here's another point, as fun as the poem is, I would hardly rank it as one of Ginsberg's finest moments. I doubt he spent more than 15 minutes writing it. So, getting back to critique, I find it tiring when people cite an author as being 'truly brilliant', as if they **** roses on a daily basis. Even "the best minds of our generation" have their off-days, or just want to break style for a bit and have some fun.

an honest criticism? Brutally honest because that's what you asked for right?

Your limited amount of posts make you seem like a dick.

I'm sure that's not the case but your posts would lead one to that conclusion.

So please show us some of your dazzling prose and poetry. We're on the edge of our seats. What we need is sparkling and breathtaking talent here, we already have plenty of dicks, myself included.

Welocme to A2K.

Dear BettyLettyWhoTheHellDoYouThinkYouAreLee!

When I say critique I mean do it to others...I'm above criticism.

but I bet you'd take your place below the critic.... :wink:

I think everaugust has a point, though.

I used to participate in an arts forum with a lot of poetry (Gautam knows the one), and I was most inspired to write when there was some MEAT to the criticisms. If no matter what I write I'm going to get praise, well, that's nice, but it's not inspiring. It's a different sort of pleasant communion. Nothing wrong with it, per se.

I've seen Cav for example recommend different line breaks, etc., that was constructive and useful.

But I rarely see the kind of honest criticism that makes me want to try something myself. It's a bit of a catch-22 -- I don't OFFER honest criticism because it doesn't seem an atmosphere that is conducive to honest criticism, as everaugust's reception indicates. (Well, yeah, he/she was a bit abrasive in how he/she stated it. There's a happy medium.) But the catch-22 is that there might be more people like me who lurk but feel that whatever we say would be seen as too mean, so we don't, but since we all stay away it perpetuates.

Maybe we can have a note in the first line, something about "critiques appreciated" as opposed to more general requests for feedback, so those of us who don't want to step on toes can say something. And then maybe those of us who want meaty critiques will also contribute more.

<shrug>

Just an idea.

good idea...

and I forgot the damn wink emo again...

Hey, shrugs. There is a difference in evaluating and running rough shod over one's endeavors, no? Why haven't you written stuff here, Soz?

Now how's that for the pedestrian.

I do find it a wee bit unusual to see a donnybrook here in the original writing forum, however.

It does stir the loins, somewhat.