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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 11:51 am
Although my English she is poor, I have to write an article about a terrible fire. The editor however is very fearsome. Could a kind person assist with which is the correct headline?

A: Police search for whoever caused the fire.
B: Police search for whomever caused the fire.

Thank you. Very Happy
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mac11
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 11:57 am
B is correct.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 12:45 pm
You should try the Enquirer version:

Space Alien Arsonists on the Loose!
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 05:50 am
Thanks a lot Mac two B: or not to be, that was the question.

?'Police search for whomever caused the fire.'

I went with your suggestion. The Edhitter said:


"Both are correct, but they have very different meanings.

Police search for whoever caused the fire" means the police are searching for the person who caused the fire.


Police search for whomever caused the fire, means the fire was caused by the police search for whomever (an unknown person).

Now I have the cops looking to kick my @**


So I got fired. I shudda run with, "Space Alien Arsonists on the Loose!" Anyone got a light?
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Adrian
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 06:07 am
Tut tut, Sir Again.

Your grammar is off. Razz
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mac11
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:46 am
Damn, that was a tricky one!
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:48 am
Not really, without a comma B is incorrect.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 12:04 pm
Mac wrote, "Damn, that was a tricky one!"

Yes, yes it was, made all the trickier by the ?'weasel' wording. Beware a Riddler seeking help. :wink:

Adrian wrote, "Tut tut. Your grammar is off."

Now there is a paradox if ever I saw one. What is an Aussie doing in the Pom forum? A 4xxxx to you cobber, and good luck with the Dingo roundup. Drunk


Panzade wrote, "Not really, without a comma B is incorrect." Cool

A little guidance is always welcome.



One of the most frequent errors in comma usage is the placement of a comma after a coordinating conjunction. We cannot say that the comma will always come before the conjunction and never after, but it would be a rare event, indeed, that we need to follow a coordinating conjunction with a comma. When speaking, we do sometimes pause after the little conjunction, but there is seldom a good reason to put a comma there.
Use a comma + a little conjunction (and, but, for, nor, yet, or, so) to connect two independent clauses, as in "He hit the ball well, but he ran toward third base."

Contending that the coordinating conjunction is adequate separation, some writers will leave out the comma in a sentence with short, balanced independent clauses (such as we see in the example just given). If there is ever any doubt, however, use the comma, as it is always correct in this situation.

You have all been warned. Rolling Eyes
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 01:18 pm
BTW, your English sucks....
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 03:25 pm
Perhaps your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, but you just gargled. Now please breathe the other way, you are bleaching my hair.

Reference to any persons living or otherwise is purely intestinal.
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 03:38 pm
Phffftt!- That stuff goes right over cj's blockhead.
If you wanna rile him...

tell him Ted Nugent is an effete intellectual snob.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 04:14 pm
Although I have heard the rumours, I could not possibly comment. :wink:

United Sportsmen of America. Decades of Destruction, rock and rule.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 06:45 pm
Geesh, I was joking (about your English). That much should have been obvious to even the most humorless. Of course, Pan is a black hole, so that explains that.

You got a beef with me Try? What?
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 06:51 pm
Don't get your panties bunched, I forgot the wink emo...
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 06:54 pm
Sorry Pan, you attack my profile and I went for your avatar. Wink
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 07:18 pm
I don't know nothin 'bout your profile so I can't attack it. We've spent many an hour discussing the "Gonz". I was kiddin around.
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bermbits
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 07:55 pm
Sorry to butt in, but I believe A is correct. I had a problem like this recently, and it turns out that the object of the preposition "for" is the entire clause following of which "who" is the subject with the verb "caused."

Confused? So was I.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2004 07:12 am
Cjhsa using his new crayons wrote, "You got a beef with me Try? What?"

You bet your sweet bippy I do. Evil or Very Mad The readers expect a little blood letting. I'm up for it. Let's get it on. Get your iron and ammo, and let's do this thang, but first:

"Your English sucks"

Ok! Ok. So I resemble that remark.

Now, let us get down to basics. We appear to have a number similarities such as, the ?'Tied House', beer, rock, beer etc. However!

"You got a beef with me"

Whilst I can not fault your humour, as anyone who has a Sony Sat HD 200. Coupled with an Aspen Multi-Sat dish must by high definition be possessed of a good science of humour.


"even the most humorless."

That Sir is beyond the pail. Anyone who can walk around with green hair cannot, in any way be described as humourless.

Therefore, relax dude, I hear you're connected to the Police Department -by a pair of handcuffs. Take it easy, you do sure have a lot of Well-wishers. They'd all like to throw you down one. Until next we meet, sure, I'd love to help you out...now, which way did you come in? Razz

10-4 come back.


bermbits, shining the light of knowledge on the topic, resolves the question. "Sorry to butt in"

I am sure, it is always most welcome. :wink:
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2004 10:48 am
So, I have a new stalker. What a gift.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 07:00 am
New, new you say. How many have you amassed? I prefer, ?'new best friend'. Cool

I know you think you thought you knew what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you understood what you thought I meant. :wink:
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