Americans must now unite

I am not blind. (tap, tap, tap.... heh)










sorry, that was passive aggressive of me; couldn't resist.

Some Republicans admit there is no coming together. - edgarblythe


CHICAGO -- Alan Keyes blamed the media and fellow Republicans on Thursday for his lopsided loss to Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. Senate race in Illinois.

Keyes also said he did not congratulate Obama after the race was called, a tradition among politicians, because doing so would have been a "false gesture" because he believes Obama's views on issues like abortion are wicked.

"I'm supposed to make a call that represents the congratulations toward the triumph of that which I believe ultimately stands for and will stand for a culture evil enough to destroy the very soul and heart of my country," Keyes said. "I can't do this, and I will not make a false gesture

While I pretty much detest everything Keyes stands for, in this case I applaud his honesty.

He's an honest rapscallion.

Re: Americans must now unite



This was my biggest fear... America votes based on misinformation. Take off your blinders. Why is this myth still believed???

Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks against the USA. Iraqi's did not give birth, raise, educate, fund or train the 911 terrorists. This has been proven time and time again. Nor I'd imagine, where they ever really a threat to your average American. They had no weapons of mass destruction….so…….. Apparently, your government's sole purpose all along was to spread Democracy? How noble.
Al-Qaeda never had a presence in Iraq until the very recent past, namely after the Iraq 'war'. Afghanistan, which has largely been forgotten, was the hotbed of this terrorist alliance. Al-Qaeda, a formerly US backed militia, had everything to do with the bombings. And yet, success has been limited in finding the perpetrators. But to appease a bloodthirsty mob, intent on revenge…they went after a sitting duck and sacrificed their young To capture a man, who by all accounts was a tyrant; a horrible specimen guilty of unspeakable crimes, a dictator with just a spot of a problem -he was fresh of WMD, amidst very hostile neighbours, with good ole uncle sam breathing down his neck, he called a bluff. Who in there right mind would think he get a pummeling for a little white lie? Everybody kept saying…nothing here. And yet here we are.
Gays, guns and global warfare, all to get some very rich men some very rich oil reserves.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/world/2001/war_on_terror/default.stm


What would our heavenly father really think?

Amen!

Very nice, Ceili. I still support coming together, and I support fighting terrorism, but not the bogeyman that has been put before us.

If any degree of "unity" is to occur, surely it depends largely on the policies & actions the US government pursues it's second term. Has Bush listened to the alarm & concern expressed by so many US citizens (say nothing of the rest of the world) in it's first term? Is it just to be more of the same, or maybe a MORE extreme agenda, now that Bush feels "vindicated" by the election result? If so, I can't see much chance of unity. Not in the US, nor with most of the rest of the world.

Lash wrote:


Why can't you seem to understand this simple truth. We don't agree because we don't agree........not because we are in blind opposition. You sound like a parent talking to her teenage child. Who is not listening to whom? It's your assumption that we don't agree because we haven't listened. I've listened ad nauseum..........and I still don't agree and I can't unite with something I don't agree with. And I certainly can't unite with something I think is disasterous. So I'll not be uniting with this president........

Lola--

Maybe I should've brought the post I was responding to--

ebrown was saying he was going to oppose everything the administration did as vociferously as possible.

That is planned opposition before the fact. And, that is blind opposition, devoid of listening or thinking.

Four years into is not before the fact.

Lash,

I feel a bit honored that you singled me out (most of us seem pretty united in this thread).

But I am not talking about blind opposition. Maybe in my anger I spoke a bit generally, but my opposition to Bush is thought out and informed.

Let me spell it out for you

1. I strongly oppose the war in Iraq. It is a disaster and Bushes plan to press ahead in an effort that is killing thousands is immoral and wrong.

You may disagree, but my opposition is based on the fact that the violence keeps increasing and the Bush has clearly lost the hearts and minds of a significant porportion of the Iraqi population.

I suspect that we will wait for any serious further protest until after the Iraqi elections. In truth I think this may be a good idea to wait a couple months and there is a slight hope that the elections will work.

But I am very upset about the Bush Administratons arrogant belligerance which is costing thousands of lives. I protest this war with very open eyes.

2. I strongly oppose the cowardly instinct to give up liberty for the feeling of security that has been misnamed "The war on Terrorism".

Imprisoning human beings for years with no due process in an environment that includes torture goes against everthing that America should stand for. My eyes are wide open in my opposition to this.

I also am very protective of my own civil rights. I want to know that my government is not spying on me. If they have a warrant to search my possissions, I think I have a right to know the what and why.

3. I oppose the brash policy of lowering taxes when the deficit is blooming. A huge debt burden is not very promising for the country that will leave to my children. My eyes are wide open on this.

4. I also oppose the chipping away at the Bill of Rights-- from separation of religion to due process rights.

For example I will do evering possible to keep the presidents friends from reversing Roe v. Wade. This would be a disaster for our country.


So, as you see, our protests will be directed and clear. I have listened and I have thought.

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

The issue isn't selectivity in opposing this guy. He's just vowed to be MORE agressive in pursuing his radically conservative agenda this time around! And what's NOT to oppose? His proposed changes to the tax code? His vow to privatize Social Security? His lethal mess that he created in Iraq? More rollbacks of civil rights through the Patriot Act? More appointments of rightwing wack jobs to judgeships?

It only seems like kneejerk opposition because it's in response to his cabal's jerking manipulation of the entire body politic.

ebrown--

Reading back, you are correct. I must have mis-assigned statements--or remembered something from you on another thread.

My error.

I just hope you and others will at least listen to Bush initiatives before condemning them.

I am listening, Lash. I am listening.

but I have very little hope.

I read the title as


"Americans must now untie...."

laugh

Or unzip

and drop trou....and try to relax..... :wink:

And on we go.............

It seems that now the election is over, once again we are simply rehashing the previous four years. Instead of thoughtful reflection, our A2K libs are beating the anti-war drums, complaining about lowered taxes, and simply posting the same tired anti-Bush diatribe.

So I guess us conservatives need to bring up the same retorts? Or not.

But briefly: why do all of my 'progressive' friends here seem determined that Iraq is going to be a failure? It is still very early in a campaign that may take a couple of years, yet all of you are prepared to either Leave Now or.........

Actually, no one in the liberal leadership can say what they will do, other then cut and run. I guess Kerry had a ?'plan', but it seemed rather simplistic and silly (but even this is hard to say, as the ?'plan' seemed to be different day to day). So our libs don't seem to have any kind of vision or plan or idea, other then Leave Now.

This is one of many reasons why it is difficult for people like 'us' to take people like 'you' seriously. But the main reason?

You guys are always wrong.

If America followed the liberal 'leadership' in the past 30 years, Gulf War I would have never happened, and Iraq, with Saddam at the helm, would be a major player in the middle east, to the detriment of the US; the Soviet Union would not have had to fold up their tent, as the US, without Reagan's leadership, would not have won the cold war. Iran might still be holding hostages if Carter had been reelected.

But truly, think of everything the left opposed in the last couple of decades, and think about what the resulting world political situation would be if they had their way.

Libs had it right for Vietnam, even if they were protesting a war started and enlarged by their own party. But ever since then, you guys have been a disaster waiting to happen.

And thankfully, liberal leadership is nowhere close to being involved in any current decision making in the area of foreign policy.

Like you bashed Reagan, like you bashed Bush I, and as you are bashing our current president, you are once again preparing to be:

On the wrong side of history.

So stapley, even though your original post seemed earnest and enthusiastic, there is much you need to learn about the American Left. Think of the bitter, dramatic, scornful, skinny girl in high school who had bad breath and few friends; who hated the teachers, the students, the principal, and everyone else in the school except her two other skinny friends. (Every school has them, so you know who I am talking about ). What you are asking our libs here at A2K is tantamount to asking our skinny young ladies to sign up for the cheerleading squad; it ain't going to happen, and the young ladies will hate you forever for asking.

Or does anyone else have a better metaphor?

This might be worth a thread of its own.........