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In interesting read on the future of the Republican Party

 
 
Fedral
 
Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:29 am
A friend of mine from the Republican committee (I used to be very active in my County's local party) sent me this link.

The individual who wrote it came from the same place many of us at the Committee were coming from. It is a great statement on where many of us see the Republican Party heading towards as the last of the 'Old Guard' die off.

This man openly lays out what many of the younger members of the Republican leadership see as the true future of the Party and where we are trying to steer it.

I present to you:

An open letter to the open letter writers of the left

Dear American Left,

I know why Bush won. I know why you lost. No, not just lost…were rejected. I know exactly why, and we'll get to that in a minute. First, though, just let me say this: If you think that spewing hate and invective on me now is going to make your life improve in any way whatsoever, you are a bigger group of fools than anyone imagined. If you think calling me more names is going to get you what you want in this country, you are not just acting foolish, you are delusional and maybe your hatred is more than just a little self-oriented. The reason I say "I" here instead of "we" or "The GOP" is because I want you to understand something so basic, so fundamental that I am ashamed for you that I have to spell it out.

I am the Republican Party.

Oh, I may not be a majority of the party yet. I am strongly in favor of gay marriage and completely against most of the pro-life points of view (for reasons that transcend the circular discussion of when life begins). This makes me an outsider for the moment, not part of the mainstream of the GOP.

But my numbers are growing. And my age is a factor. You see, the old guard of the Republican party is quite literally dying, and we, the younger members, are moving up. It won't be long before we are a majority influence and can turn the party back toward preserving the ideals of smaller government, less interference in both business and private life. I believe it is possible to embrace both traditional and progressive values. I do it every day. I believe that it is possible to hold our military up as the primary reason the federal government exists and still manage to protect the rights of two people who wish to legally share their lives, and I will work within my party to make that happen.

I am the Republican Party. Or more appropriately, I am the future of the Republican Party. And if you think keeping me on your side is worth anything, you might want to re-think the idea of calling me a bigot or a Nazi or spewing hatred at me. Your ideals were soundly rejected, and if you stopped whining long enough to ask, some of us can tell you why. Part of why you don't know is the fact that you haven't stopped whining in the last four years. The steady stream of hate, lies and vitriol from the American left has hardened the American right in ways you can't begin to imagine. You tempered us. You forged us in the fire of your hate, and you made us stronger than we every could have without your steady litany of bile and complaint.

I'll give you a perfect, shining example of why you lost. His name is Michael Moore.

Before Moore burst forth with his theories of 9/11 conspiracies, "seven minutes," blood for oil, Taliban pipelines etc., very little actual criticism was levied at Bush beyond the misguided notion that something errant happened in Florida. If Moore did not exist, I believe that cooler heads would have realized that a never-ending flow of recounts all proved one thing: Bush won. Period. And we would have moved forward. 9/11 would still have happened and we might have had a chance at keeping some of that unity we all felt, but along came Moore, and in tow came the most extreme elements of the American left. Bolstered by the Hollywood liberal, the MoveOn/Democratic Underground lunatic, the darkest fringes of radical American liberalism were given credence simply by being a market share. Fine…free markets are great. Moore has a message, you provided an audience, money was exchanged.

But then you started taking those messages into the political arena as though they had validity. And most of America looked at you like you just grew a third eye right in front of them. And still you persisted, getting more and more hateful, telling more lies, spinning out-of-context elements and juxtaposing any and every situation in order to try to hammer home your talking points. No matter what the discussion, you brought it back to one of Moore's talking points. If the topic did not fit your need, you forced it, or just ignored it altogether and ranted away.

You never stopped for a minute to consider the fact that you might be wrong. And yet that very behavior is one of the greatest criticisms of Bush by the new radical left. Ironic, I think.

You took this new radicalism so far that your candidate for President, a man who is guided by polls, took a look around and said "Oh, I get it. There is energy around this new radical hate of the President. I will base my message not only around my questionable service, but around this new radical hatred, even if most of it is baseless or contradicts what I said just six or twelve months ago."

Make no mistake, people, two things lost you this election. First it was your incessant need to spew vile invective at anyone who did not think like you, and secondly, like Nader in 2000, you have one man to thank, and his name is Michael Moore.

As proof of the lack of class, take a look at his site today. As of this writing, that filthy excuse for a human being has replaced all his crowing and self-righteousness with a photo of Bush made up of the first 1000 soldiers that died in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know, from VERY personal letters that I will be sharing with everyone soon, that at minimum, 75% of the people pictured in this photo hate Moore. They cannot stand him and would be deeply offended and disgusted at being used in such a manner.

I see that he doesn't care, and to be honest, I bet you don't either. And that's another reason why you lost. You ignored the voices of those who would die to protect you.

Let me say that again in a different way. There are a few million men and women who have volunteered to give their very lives to protect you. Can you even grasp the enormity of that concept? After 9/11, knowing there was going to be a military response, hundreds of thousands of people volunteered to join the military to defend you. TO protect you. To take whatever action they could to try to prevent your death in another terrorist attack. They are willing to die for you, and you ignored them. You treated them like mindless pawns. You used them and then tried to elect a man that has betrayed them time and time again.

Do you have any idea how that must feel?

Regardless of your position on Iraq, whether it was warranted or not, they have a position, and that position is overwhelmingly in support of Bush, the idea of the war, the execution of the war and the goal to stay until the work is finished. And you ignored them. Worse, you ridiculed them. You called them "kids" and "children." You painted them as bloodthirsty savages hell-bent on murder and sadism when you heard that a small number of individuals did some pretty nasty things to some prisoners. They never forgot that, you know.

And that brings it back to the hate and bile that poured forth from the left. The hate and bile that is still pouring out today, perhaps at an even greater rate.

I spent all night last night blogging the election…reading websites, tracking data, reading other blogs, talking about it, watching TV, etc. This morning, while I was still awake after the long run, I was both smug with the win and giddy with relief that we avoided electing a man I have come to despise, and I threw it right in the face of some people on another website. To that person; If you're reading this, I apologize for my tone. Not my content. You still have some lessons you need to learn, and if you want to move out of the country because of this…more power to you. I don't believe you will. But that doesn't excuse the way I spoke to you, and for that I apologize.

Something that person (and the rest of you to whom this letter is addressed) is going to have to learn is that telling me I'm stupid, a racist, a bigot, or whatever else you may come up with is going to result in exactly one thing; further marginalizing you as a political power in America. What you need is me as your ally. Your inside man. Someone who will fight you on a lot of issues, but will also fight for you on others. Why?

Because I am the Republican Party. And right now, we control the game. If you want to play, you need to re-think this idea that throwing tantrums will get you on the field.

Talk to me. Treat me with respect. And you just might find yourself with the most powerful ally you can imagine: someone who shares a vision of a more free, more perfect America.

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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:37 am
Beautiful. He spends a whole paragraph telling you why you shouldn't call him names and stereo-type his party. Then he gets right to business calling us names and stereo-typing us.

Dear Republican Party, you are a self-important humorless tw*t.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:46 am
Nonsense. If this were the future of the Republican Party I would rush to register with the GOP. However, all recent evidence points against a return to small government and an acceptance of progressive social values. The dying old guard, the so called "Rockefeller Republicans," better represented this wing of the party than the new guard. See former Nixon Secretary of Commerce Peter Peterson's comments on the New Guard of the GOP. We have lost our moorings. This last election was dominated by social issues, appealing not to the progressive crowd... Both parties hurled invectives and took cheap-shots. And what of the deficit and the ballooning budget? Our bumbling candidates were practically mum.

My advice to the writer of this letter: Join the Independent party. Critique both major parties, and use your influence to jump onto the first boat that genuinely has "responsibility" as a platform. Whatever you do, don't be enamored by some dream-party that doesn't exist; you'll only allow that party to take advantage of your vote while they ignore your pleas for rational policy. Jump ship, my boy!
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:46 am
I am a little gratified by the fact that the up and coming republican party is not going the religious rout. What I am wondering is what they're going to do with all they're pro lifers (I am one which is neither here nor there) and marriage "is only between one man and one woman people." They're not all old people.

Furthermore, Bush only got 51% of the popular vote and he barely won the electoral vote. So it is not as if we are soundly rejected in huge numbers.
We just simply lost. It happens. We can accept a loss and go on.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:50 am
FreeDuck wrote:
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Dear Republican Party, you are a self-important humorless tw*t.



Twit?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:14 pm
Don't need a * for twit.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:17 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Don't need a * for twit.

Ahh. Right you are. :wink:

Anyway ... just trying to be a humorfull Republican.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:18 pm
Smile And so you are...
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Magus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 01:21 pm
51% is NOT a "mandate"... it's just a VERY few percentage points away from a STALEMATE.

But the egocentric gloating and monomaniacal sneering are manifestations of the darker side of human nature... and they bode ill for the future of our republic.

As I observe the sociopaths chuckling as they sow the seeds of our destruction, I note how they are looking forward to harvesting a bumper crop... and trampling out the vintage of the Grapes of Wrath.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 01:24 pm
IMO the republican party is being systematically destroyed along with the democratic party to make way for the new theology party......better recognize......both parties are on the chopping block in the long range plans of the current power base....
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 01:53 pm
Magus wrote:
51% is NOT a "mandate"... it's just a VERY few percentage points away from a STALEMATE.

But the egocentric gloating and monomaniacal sneering are manifestations of the darker side of human nature... and they bode ill for the future of our republic.

As I observe the sociopaths chuckling as they sow the seeds of our destruction, I note how they are looking forward to harvesting a bumper crop... and trampling out the vintage of the Grapes of Wrath.


Shocked

Whatever you say. Laughing
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 09:26 pm
Less interference in both business and private life is a libertarian stance, not a Republican stance. I think the Christian conservative Republicans would argue RP's contention, especially as regards gay marriage and abortion, the points he makes about his progressiveness. He discounts the ranks of those Republicans, classic Republicans, that voted for Bush. His "progressive" Republicans merely pushed Bush over the top. His base, however, is those religious, conservative Republicans.

So he hates Michael Moore and that's why he voted Republican. He is most definitely not a typical Republican.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 09:31 pm
Republican Party is more in the mold of the Trey Parker and Matt Stone school of political thought.
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Fedral
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:27 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
Less interference in both business and private life is a libertarian stance, not a Republican stance. I think the Christian conservative Republicans would argue RP's contention, especially as regards gay marriage and abortion, the points he makes about his progressiveness. He discounts the ranks of those Republicans, classic Republicans, that voted for Bush. His "progressive" Republicans merely pushed Bush over the top. His base, however, is those religious, conservative Republicans.

So he hates Michael Moore and that's why he voted Republican. He is most definitely not a typical Republican.


Yes, not the typical 'Old Time' Republican. But IF, like myself, you are directly involved in the current Republican Party leadership, you understand that more and more of the 'up and coming' Republicans feel this way.

We tend to keep many of these stances to ourselves at leadership meetings and we make subtle pushes to moderate the local party line, but we are in the minority NOW, soon the oldsters will be dying out and we will make our presence known.

Mark may words, we are more than you think and we are biding our time until we can make our presence felt.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:05 pm
There are a lot of young Christian conservative Republicans, Fedral. Both you and Republican Party discredit their numbers and importance in the Republican Party.

I think the personal liberties issues will come to a head within the party.

How do you reconcile your position on gay marriage and abortion with the general stance of the Republican Pary?
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:07 pm
Excellent questions, InfraBlue. I agree that it's not obvious where the party is moving. If anything, the Republicans have recently slipped further away from Fedral's ideals.
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Magus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:44 pm
Only cheerleaders, ideologues and demagogues try to describe a neck-and-neck race as a blowout.

A 2 or 3% margin is not a "mandate"... unless you have a warped perspective.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:54 pm
Magus wrote:
Only cheerleaders, ideologues and demagogues try to describe a neck-and-neck race as a blowout.

A 2 or 3% margin is not a "mandate"... unless you have a warped perspective.


Didn't you say this about 8 posts ago? Were you trying to add more to the discussion, or do you just like typing the word "mandate"?
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Magus
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 12:45 am
"Whatever you say."

(insert supercilious and insincere emoticons HERE)
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Fedral
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2004 02:13 am
InfraBlue wrote:
There are a lot of young Christian conservative Republicans, Fedral. Both you and Republican Party discredit their numbers and importance in the Republican Party.

I think the personal liberties issues will come to a head within the party.

How do you reconcile your position on gay marriage and abortion with the general stance of the Republican Pary?


The main strength of the Republican Party over the years has always been our unity. Even when we VEHEMENTLY disagree with each other in private, we tend to settle those differences in private before stepping out together and showing a united front.

Yes there are many people in the Rep Party whose major topic of concern differs from other members, but in many basic cores of beliefs, we find our common ground.

I may disagree with John and Roy on the topic of abortion, but we find common ground on protection of the 2nd Amendment. Roy may be vehemently against gay marriage, yet even though John and I don't see what the big deal is, we are not going to shun or try to change a fixed mind, we just find common ground with Roy on SS and welfare reform. We speak, we debate and we compromise before setting our key topics and values out for all to see as a united front.

The one thing myself and many of my fellow Republicans have spoken about over drinks and laughed somewhat nervously is the possibility that someday, the Democrats will find a way to quit fighting among themselves long enough to present a similar unity. The day they manage to do that, they will be very dangerous.

The problem is, the Dem Party is so factionalized into so many subsets who refuse to compromise on their 'pet issue', they can never get the unity they need.

Just my 2 cents... pre tax.
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